"Story in a game is like story in a porn movie... Its not that important"

[mckracken]

John Carmack was right in the case of DOOM!
lets get back to basics and forget all the super mario and b movie plot

[mckracken]

what?
You think ive played Doom1 first time on steam? LOL. Or that you have to play it on steam?

I dont even know how to make my profile public. I dont give a crap.

[Sar]

mckracken eredeti hozzászólása:

what?
You think ive played Doom1 first time on steam? LOL. Or that you have to play it on steam?

I dont even know how to make my profile public. I dont give a crap.

No, I mean you can clearly see Ikaruga played Doom. So you joke doesn’t work.

I didn’t say you never played Doom. Unlike you, I don’t think that having played a 30 years old game that’s been ported on everything from a pregnancy test to a console is some kind of an achievement.

But of course, you don’t think he didn’t play Doom either. You just don’t want to engage with his argument.

[mckracken]

what the hell
there is no platforming in these games and you know it, if youve played them....

[Sar]

This entirely depends on how you define platforming. It’s true that there is no jumping in Doom unless you use a source port, but there are a bunch of gaps you have to cross by sprinting, and there’s a lot of fighting on platforms where a single misstep will plunge you into nukage or lava.

[Ikagura]

Sar eredeti hozzászólása:

This entirely depends on how you define platforming. It’s true that there is no jumping in Doom unless you use a source port, but there are a bunch of gaps you have to cross by sprinting, and there’s a lot of fighting on platforms where a single misstep will plunge you into nukage or lava.

And this is platforming, rudimentary, without jumping yet you still have to manage speed to go from one platform to another.

I'd even argue that Zelda, despite having 0 jump button outside of Zelda II, BotW and TotK (SS had it? I don't remember) still has platforming sections, mainly with the moving platforms where you had to wait and the ledge jump to go from one area to the other.

[Joker]

i'd like to see this discussion on the eternal forum from 1-2 years ago

[Ikagura]

Platforming made Quake stands out from Doom.

[mckracken]

[Ikagura]

mckracken eredeti hozzászólása:

Tell me that it wasn't rocket jumping, bhoping and even just being able to have more verticality that didn't make Quake one of the best FPS around.

[Unmotivated]

Joker eredeti hozzászólása:

Unmotivated eredeti hozzászólása:

Are those actual fallacies or are you makin crap up? Also i don't think you or some "fallacy" dictates what's appropriate for a given franchise. Pretty sure the majority of Doom enjoyers love the mechs and planet hopping, so ergo, that's what decides what is or is not appropriate for a franchise.

If Carmack wants to put in mech fights and everybody loves it, it's not a fallacy or inappropriate, it's just a genre evolving without you as the audience. I feel your pain, but like with me and the God of War franchise, the time to move on and let go is now if this is indeed the case.

they're fallacies in that these opinions and statements indeed do not dictate what's appropriate or what mechanics actually exist in the franchise. it's these opinions and statements that are the fallacies; they are not sound arguments, nor are they universal truths, as much as they are paraded to be.

when i write these down, know that they didn't come out of thin air. actual people, real people on the eternal forum, have mentioned these things, posited them as proper and valid arguments in discussions regarding the franchise. some people seem to truly believe that these are not fallacies.

some of you clearly haven't been around in the eternal forum ;)

Opinions held by the majority........ who are indeed the audience of a product....... and yet they don't dictate what's appropriate for a product?

That makes about as much sense as thinking you made a 10/10 movie when nobody wants to watch it. If nobody wants your movie, then you clearly aren't the arbiter of what is and is not appropriate. That's kind of how an AUDIENCE works. The targeted demographic dictates what stays and goes, not the minority that can't adapt to the new stuff and would rather make it their personality to hate the new thing.

The audience has spoken: Doom Slayer is sticking around until such time as Id decides to change to something else.

[Ikagura]

Unmotivated eredeti hozzászólása:

Joker eredeti hozzászólása:

they're fallacies in that these opinions and statements indeed do not dictate what's appropriate or what mechanics actually exist in the franchise. it's these opinions and statements that are the fallacies; they are not sound arguments, nor are they universal truths, as much as they are paraded to be.

when i write these down, know that they didn't come out of thin air. actual people, real people on the eternal forum, have mentioned these things, posited them as proper and valid arguments in discussions regarding the franchise. some people seem to truly believe that these are not fallacies.

some of you clearly haven't been around in the eternal forum ;)

Opinions held by the majority........ who are indeed the audience of a product....... and yet they don't dictate what's appropriate for a product?

That makes about as much sense as thinking you made a 10/10 movie when nobody wants to watch it. If nobody wants your movie, then you clearly aren't the arbiter of what is and is not appropriate. That's kind of how an AUDIENCE works. The targeted demographic dictates what stays and goes, not the minority that can't adapt to the new stuff and would rather make it their personality to hate the new thing.

The audience has spoken: Doom Slayer is sticking around until such time as Id decides to change to something else.

I love how the gaming community is going into its "elitist" phase like how movie fans avoided anything remotely popular.

[Joker]

Unmotivated eredeti hozzászólása:

Joker eredeti hozzászólása:

they're fallacies in that these opinions and statements indeed do not dictate what's appropriate or what mechanics actually exist in the franchise. it's these opinions and statements that are the fallacies; they are not sound arguments, nor are they universal truths, as much as they are paraded to be.

when i write these down, know that they didn't come out of thin air. actual people, real people on the eternal forum, have mentioned these things, posited them as proper and valid arguments in discussions regarding the franchise. some people seem to truly believe that these are not fallacies.

some of you clearly haven't been around in the eternal forum ;)

Opinions held by the majority........ who are indeed the audience of a product....... and yet they don't dictate what's appropriate for a product?

That makes about as much sense as thinking you made a 10/10 movie when nobody wants to watch it. If nobody wants your movie, then you clearly aren't the arbiter of what is and is not appropriate. That's kind of how an AUDIENCE works. The targeted demographic dictates what stays and goes, not the minority that can't adapt to the new stuff and would rather make it their personality to hate the new thing.

i didnt mean to say that the majority of doom enjoyers believe these things, and i dont know if the majority does either. i just know at least 2 persons do. maybe 3. and i'll make it painfully clear now that i dont- well actually i cant say that i agree or disagree with these since ive never played the classics, and because i was told by one of these supposed true OG fans that im not a true OG fan, because their word is gospel and know beter than me, then i must not know what makes doom, doom. so yeah

The audience has spoken: Doom Slayer is sticking around until such time as Id decides to change to something else.

its a good thing i dont need to take up this mantle then because plenty of people on the eternal forum have told these 2-3 individuals this exact thing.

[Grampire]

Ikagura eredeti hozzászólása:

Unmotivated eredeti hozzászólása:

Opinions held by the majority........ who are indeed the audience of a product....... and yet they don't dictate what's appropriate for a product?

That makes about as much sense as thinking you made a 10/10 movie when nobody wants to watch it. If nobody wants your movie, then you clearly aren't the arbiter of what is and is not appropriate. That's kind of how an AUDIENCE works. The targeted demographic dictates what stays and goes, not the minority that can't adapt to the new stuff and would rather make it their personality to hate the new thing.

The audience has spoken: Doom Slayer is sticking around until such time as Id decides to change to something else.

I love how the gaming community is going into its "elitist" phase like how movie fans avoided anything remotely popular.

It's somewhat of a bittersweet realization.

It's great that the medium is getting lots of content and attention. And at the same time, it's sad that the lighthearted, "fun" aspects of it are getting singled-out in along with calls to replace them with super serious, familiar tropes.

Doom has pretty much never been the series that took itself too seriously, and the fact that so many people would readily steer it into that proverbial iceberg is lamentable.

We just have to hope id continues to ignore them.

[PaulFisherMedia]

Recently playing Doom Eternal and MY GOD the Exultia JUMPING challenges ruin the game. Where you have to JUMP swing DASH DASH JUMP DASH , and try over and over again. Please don't ruin this game with platform jumping.

[space]

PaulFisherMedia eredeti hozzászólása:

Recently playing Doom Eternal and MY GOD the Exultia JUMPING challenges ruin the game. Where you have to JUMP swing DASH DASH JUMP DASH , and try over and over again. Please don't ruin this game with platform jumping.

exultia is a great level