Symmetry Mode On Garage

[Sid]

I think it would make building robots much faster/easier, specially at higher tiers. Basically you define 2 vertical planes on the garage and everything built on one side is symmetrically built on the other side too.

[Tokavy]

this and an option to replace all blocks on your robot with another would be very helpful also

[Sid]

Originally posted by Tokavy:

this and an option to replace all blocks on your robot with another would be very helpful also

Agree

[Angelus033]

In fact, you want a "Minecraft WorldEdit" in RoboCraft, don't you ?

[Sid]

Originally posted by AngHell:

In fact, you want a "Minecraft WorldEdit" in RoboCraft, don't you ?

Never really got into minecraft, played it maybe for 2 hours. The symmetry idea is from Space Engineers.

[Angelus033]

Well, WorldEdit in Minecraft allow to copy/rotate/paste a selected area, to make automatically a symetrical copy (central or axial), to change a type of block into another (in an area or the whole map) and give you a tool that can change anything it hits into the wanted block
(These are only the main functions, that could be useful for RoboCraft)

[♡Maple♡]

i remember the symetrical aspect from apb when it launched in 2011 where you symetrical apply decals to a car on either sides, would be nice, also blueprints!

[rugunac]

That would be very buggy. Also, when you get the symmetry of AB, will it be: ?

• B'A'AB
  
• B'AB
  
• ABA'
  
• ABB'A'
  
• AB
  A'B'
  
• or
  A'B'
  AB

[Sid]

Originally posted by ugrcnsyn:

That would be very buggy. Also, when you get the symmetry of AB, will it be: ?

• B'A'AB
  
• B'AB
  
• ABA'
  
• ABB'A'
  
• AB
  A'B'
  
• or
  A'B'
  AB

It´s either ABBA or BAAB, depends on which side you inserted the AB. An easier way to see it is: if A is near the middle, than it's BAAB, if B is near the middle, than its ABBA.
If your car width is even, than there is just one symmetry plane, right in the middle of the garage. If it´s an odd width, than it´s 2 planes, 1 cube width apart from each other and you fill the middle before or after.

Think about it, you are like tier 8-10, placing 300+ cubes on your car, with a "symmetry mode" you only have to place half that much, it would speed up the building process. I remember how it was fun to build a new car every 5 or so battles at tiers 1-3 (less than 100 cubes) and how boring it is now that i'm at tier 7 (300+ cubes).

[Lightstorm95]

well what about ABC robots (bots that have an odd number of blocks)?

[Sid]

Originally posted by lightstorm05:

well what about ABC robots (bots that have an odd number of blocks)?

ABC wouldn't be symmetryc, ABA would be a symmetry with an odd width, ABBA would be a symmetry with even width.
This is a video of the symmetry mode in space engineers. If you are designing with an odd width, the symmetry plane stays right in the middle cubes, if it's even, then it stays between the left and right cubes.

http://youtu.be/uDllYDRBMXE?t=18s

[Rhinovirus]

Originally posted by ugrcnsyn:

That would be very buggy. Also, when you get the symmetry of AB, will it be: ?

• B'A'AB
  
• B'AB
  
• ABA'
  
• ABB'A'
  
• AB
  A'B'
  
• or
  A'B'
  AB

It doesn't have to be buggy at all. Games like Kerbal Space Program and Space Engineers already implement such features and they work wonderfully. Virtually all robots in this game utilize bilateral symmetry so it would be useful to almost everybody and literally cut the building time of your robot in half.

However it wont work completely until they fix the electroplates. Right now electroplates aren't symmetrical and have different collision detection between the right and left handed versions. An electroplate that fits on one side will not always fit on the other mirror image side of your ship. Very frustrating...

Originally posted by lightstorm05:

well what about ABC robots (bots that have an odd number of blocks)?

I think it would work best if there was a central stripe of blocks that was not part of the symmetry.

ABCBA with C being the middle. If you build a block B on one side of C then another block B is placed on the opposite side automatically. this would work best considering this is how the garage is currently laid out. The garage is an odd # of block wide with a row that goes down the middle.

[SuperGrover]

Symetry and replace all blocks would be really useful for creating new ships and making your ship the next tier when having enough money. I think this should be a hotkey option that you could enable and disable at any time (The Symetry). With the Replace all blocks I think it should ask you with the current bllocks that are currently on your ship like if you had all t6 thrusters you could have an option to go to t7 thrusters. You could also do that for blocks etc. Then all you would need to do manually was place new blocks you unlocked that tier. Also that would take less time then to get to the higher tiers which means there would be more t10 people and they would make more and more creative ships with the extra time they have instead of replacing their ships with blocks. I think this would be a huge gamechanger.

[76561198161937490]

Originally posted by Tokavy:

this and an option to replace all blocks on your robot with another would be very helpful also

With blocks this would be wonderful. Extending it to hardware, movement etc. would be problematic though as their size and shapes change.

[SuperGrover]

Originally posted by joshua.pauley:

Originally posted by Tokavy:

this and an option to replace all blocks on your robot with another would be very helpful also

With blocks this would be wonderful. Extending it to hardware, movement etc. would be problematic though as their size and shapes change.

Mmm thats true! But what you could do is like the thrusters from tiers 6-7 or 4-5 is the same thruster size just with more POWER. So those would work. The same things happen for other hardware so what would happen is some tiers you could use this mode while other tiers you'll have to build a new SEMETRICAL ship with the SYMETERY button. I think they would work well together for a whole new feel of robocraft.

[SuperGrover]

FJ should not only imlement this feature of symetery and replace all block every other tier (where the hardwear doesnt get bigger, just better) and they should also implement the kerbal space program idea of the octagon of blocks. THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. People would make huge octogonal ships!