Body Type A/B grifters

[Ragne K'Yaeger]

I just checked something, since there are some conservative (minority) trolls that annoy a number of people in this thread:
In the system trailer there has been shown that the Voice Type of the Accessory has been changed from Female / Male Voice Type to Type B / A Voice.
At the moment there exist no footage about the Sinner customization, neither about the full customization about the Accessory.

So all this fuse of BODY TYPE A/B and "DEI world-domination" BS is made up mostly, like it has always been.

If anyone got more footage about the Remaster, you're welcome to share your finding here.

[Ragne K'Yaeger]

Publicado originalmente por S.T.U.D.:

I hope this "Type" trend between devs and consumers DIES soon. This is such an unproductive waste of time, especially in an industry that desires the most money doing the bare minimum.

This trend has always existed, if you pick up old games in which you could change the protagonist, the NPCs ALWAYS called you out by Name or "They/Them". Out of technical reasons and pre-recorded voicelines, it made the most sense.
I look forward to people actually engage with the story-building of games and their implementation. Not this political (conservative) arguments which ignores the Dev-Team and their work.

[Words @TNEQL]

Don't even acknowledge the existence of these people. Reactionary posts like this is exactly what they want. Ignoring them is the greatest thing you could do.

[The Count]

Publicado originalmente por Words @TNEQL:

Don't even acknowledge the existence of these people. Reactionary posts like this is exactly what they want. Ignoring them is the greatest thing you could do.

Ide naturally agree with this, but considering the game, I find it interesting that it’s bein called “woke” and “virtue signaling” when the game itself is about stripping the sinner of all freedom and humanity. Removing genders in my opinion really falls in line with the premise of the game.

One could argue having a gender identity would be considered “woke” in this game as it would give a sinner an identity and that seems counter productive “for the greater good”

[Words @TNEQL]

Publicado originalmente por The Count:

Ide naturally agree with this, but considering the game, I find it interesting that it’s bein called “woke” and “virtue signaling” when the game itself is about stripping the sinner of all freedom and humanity. Removing genders in my opinion really falls in line with the premise of the game.

One could argue having a gender identity would be considered “woke” in this game as it would give a sinner an identity and that seems counter productive “for the greater good”

You are giving it more thought than these grifters are.

Half of them aren't even real people. They're astroturfing Russian sock puppets.

[S.T.U.D.]

Publicado originalmente por Ragne K'Yaeger:

This trend has always existed,

Nice cherry pick, but no.

[Ragne K'Yaeger]

Publicado originalmente por S.T.U.D.:

Publicado originalmente por Ragne K'Yaeger:

This trend has always existed,

Nice cherry pick, but no.

It's not cherry picking, it's called world-building within technical limitations.
Have you actually thought to listen to Dev-Teams of A, AA or AAA Studios, at all...?

[Mechanon]

Publicado originalmente por Ragne K'Yaeger:

Publicado originalmente por S.T.U.D.:

Nice cherry pick, but no.

It's not cherry picking, it's called world-building within technical limitations.
Have you actually thought to listen to Dev-Teams of A, AA or AAA Studios, at all...?

Im sure their doing body a and body b for the exact same reasons that they had silent protagonists and and didn't record multiple variations of voice acted lines and you aren't gaslighting and being dishonest at all

[Ragne K'Yaeger]

Publicado originalmente por Mechanon:

Publicado originalmente por Ragne K'Yaeger:

It's not cherry picking, it's called world-building within technical limitations.
Have you actually thought to listen to Dev-Teams of A, AA or AAA Studios, at all...?

Im sure their doing body a and body b for the exact same reasons that they had silent protagonists and and didn't record multiple variations of voice acted lines and you aren't gaslighting and being dishonest at all

Nice try avoiding the Dev-Teams work. Just some food for thought for you:
The change in text does work in favor of world-building in FW remaster. The sex/gender of the protagonist (sinner) is just a question of: what is the physically capacity of said resource. Just like blood types, the sex/gender is purely a functionally part in that society. Is said resource able to produce seeds or eggs? Nothing more, nothing less.
Also something of interest, it was always a part of the game-lore that the protagonist could change their gender in game. It was even an entitlement you could achieve by playing the game.

The end-result is: a more consistent representation of a game-lore by changing the in-game text/language.

[S.T.U.D.]

Publicado originalmente por Ragne K'Yaeger:

Publicado originalmente por Mechanon:

Im sure their doing body a and body b for the exact same reasons that they had silent protagonists and and didn't record multiple variations of voice acted lines and you aren't gaslighting and being dishonest at all

Nice try avoiding the Dev-Teams work. Just some food for thought for you:
The change in text does work in favor of world-building in FW remaster. The sex/gender of the protagonist (sinner) is just a question of: what is the physically capacity of said resource. Just like blood types, the sex/gender is purely a functionally part in that society. Is said resource able to produce seeds or eggs? Nothing more, nothing less.
Also something of interest, it was always a part of the game-lore that the protagonist could change their gender in game. It was even an entitlement you could achieve by playing the game.

The end-result is: a more consistent representation of a game-lore by changing the in-game text/language.

So like I said. Hope this BS dies. As being disingenuous isn't a real debate.

[Ragne K'Yaeger]

Publicado originalmente por S.T.U.D.:

Publicado originalmente por Ragne K'Yaeger:

Nice try avoiding the Dev-Teams work. Just some food for thought for you:
The change in text does work in favor of world-building in FW remaster. The sex/gender of the protagonist (sinner) is just a question of: what is the physically capacity of said resource. Just like blood types, the sex/gender is purely a functionally part in that society. Is said resource able to produce seeds or eggs? Nothing more, nothing less.
Also something of interest, it was always a part of the game-lore that the protagonist could change their gender in game. It was even an entitlement you could achieve by playing the game.

The end-result is: a more consistent representation of a game-lore by changing the in-game text/language.

So like I said. Hope this BS dies. As being disingenuous isn't a real debate.

I am glad you achieved the rest of mind you have hoped to reach.
Glad the exchange came to a satisfiyng end for the both of us.

[Mechanon]

Publicado originalmente por Ragne K'Yaeger:

Publicado originalmente por Mechanon:

Im sure their doing body a and body b for the exact same reasons that they had silent protagonists and and didn't record multiple variations of voice acted lines and you aren't gaslighting and being dishonest at all

Nice try avoiding the Dev-Teams work. Just some food for thought for you:
The change in text does work in favor of world-building in FW remaster. The sex/gender of the protagonist (sinner) is just a question of: what is the physically capacity of said resource. Just like blood types, the sex/gender is purely a functionally part in that society. Is said resource able to produce seeds or eggs? Nothing more, nothing less.
Also something of interest, it was always a part of the game-lore that the protagonist could change their gender in game. It was even an entitlement you could achieve by playing the game.

The end-result is: a more consistent representation of a game-lore by changing the in-game text/language.

Being disingenuous and making up rationalizations isn't doing yourself any favors.

Everyone knows why they do body b and body a regardless of where you sit on the issue. If your going to try to have a discussion, at least try to do so in good faith.

[S.T.U.D.]

Publicado originalmente por Ragne K'Yaeger:

Publicado originalmente por S.T.U.D.:

So like I said. Hope this BS dies. As being disingenuous isn't a real debate.

I am glad you achieved the rest of mind you have hoped to reach.
Glad the exchange came to a satisfiyng end for the both of us.

Except I wish this never existed as I see it as a waste of energy and you're trying to project your coping. Which is the problem with this whole thing. Virtue signalling.

[Ragne K'Yaeger]

Publicado originalmente por S.T.U.D.:

Publicado originalmente por Ragne K'Yaeger:

I am glad you achieved the rest of mind you have hoped to reach.
Glad the exchange came to a satisfiyng end for the both of us.

Except I wish this never existed as I see it as a waste of energy and you're trying to project your coping. Which is the problem with this whole thing. Virtue signalling.

There is no virtue signaling if i share an interesting in world-building and the respresenting of that. If you are dissatisfied by that, I am sorry to hear that for you.
But there is something you should always remember:
The customer is always right, in matters of taste.
If the product is not to your liking, you are right in that for you and yourself. The publisher and the developer remain the right to create and represent games to their ideas, not yours or mine. The result at hand is more to my liking then yours, nothing more.

Publicado originalmente por Mechanon:

Publicado originalmente por Ragne K'Yaeger:

Nice try avoiding the Dev-Teams work. Just some food for thought for you:
The change in text does work in favor of world-building in FW remaster. The sex/gender of the protagonist (sinner) is just a question of: what is the physically capacity of said resource. Just like blood types, the sex/gender is purely a functionally part in that society. Is said resource able to produce seeds or eggs? Nothing more, nothing less.
Also something of interest, it was always a part of the game-lore that the protagonist could change their gender in game. It was even an entitlement you could achieve by playing the game.

The end-result is: a more consistent representation of a game-lore by changing the in-game text/language.

Being disingenuous and making up rationalizations isn't doing yourself any favors.

Everyone knows why they do body b and body a regardless of where you sit on the issue. If your going to try to have a discussion, at least try to do so in good faith.

I am primarily a fan of results, secondly the process and lastly the motives. And as explained before, the result does reflect the worl-building aspect more coherent. There is no denieing in said aspect.

[The Count]

Publicado originalmente por Words @TNEQL:

Publicado originalmente por The Count:

Ide naturally agree with this, but considering the game, I find it interesting that it’s bein called “woke” and “virtue signaling” when the game itself is about stripping the sinner of all freedom and humanity. Removing genders in my opinion really falls in line with the premise of the game.

One could argue having a gender identity would be considered “woke” in this game as it would give a sinner an identity and that seems counter productive “for the greater good”

You are giving it more thought than these grifters are.

Half of them aren't even real people. They're astroturfing Russian sock puppets.

I just think it’s funny cause the argument in this particular game for gender identity would be seen as “woke” in the world of freedom wars. But non the less for the greater good!

[Exolden]

Publicado originalmente por Ragne K'Yaeger:

I just checked something, since there are some conservative (minority) trolls that annoy a number of people in this thread:
In the system trailer there has been shown that the Voice Type of the Accessory has been changed from Female / Male Voice Type to Type B / A Voice.
At the moment there exist no footage about the Sinner customization, neither about the full customization about the Accessory.

So all this fuse of BODY TYPE A/B and "DEI world-domination" BS is made up mostly, like it has always been.

If anyone got more footage about the Remaster, you're welcome to share your finding here.

If we were a minority concord would have lived longer than a housefly.