Are melee weapons worth using?

[Rudra]

At least in the original game, the Barbara gun outclassed every melee weapon (and other guns too). Is this still the case?
Katze and Barbara combo still seems best, but I don't have upgraded melee weapons to judge.

[Part-Time Prick]

No, that is not the case, not even a little bit. I also struggle to understand how the Katze is the best at anything, it's a nice general weapon but the range is severely limited, and sustained fire performance is worse than any minigun.

I've not shopped around a ton but I can confidently say that Caliburn and Hawkshadow at least are very strong and capable of shredding most things even at level 7, up to easily dispatching of mk1 Red Rages

[Rudra]

Katze is for anything "not Abductor" as a general fodder clearer.
Barbara for Abductors. Barbara could stunlock abductors if I recall correctly.

Currently struggling greatly because I'm at endgame with level 3 weapons since only notched weapons are worth upgrading and I don't have a notched Barbara.
Thought of trying melee for once, as I have some power notched ones. Might be fun...? But mastering something I've never used seems like a huge undertaking for little reward.

[N/A]

Barbera got nerfed into the ground as did all guns. Caliburn is without a shadow of a doubt the most OP thing in the game just like it was in the original.

Melee > Guns

You can put fire rate mods on an Ez Katze and it can compete with an auto cannon if not be better than. Ez Katze is and was one of the strongest weapons/guns in the game. Saying it's worse than an auto cannon because of range makes you look like an idiot because neither have good range, at least not the good auto cannons. You can also cling with an Ez Katze because it's an assualt weapon meaning it benifits from attack connected which should make it much strongher than an auto cannon without doing anything special.

[Part-Time Prick]

I tried the katze with fire rate and found I preferred the arisaka for my anti-small stuff. I like the burst rifle, does its job well.

[N/A]

Originally posted by Part-Time Prick:

I tried the katze with fire rate and found I preferred the arisaka for my anti-small stuff. I like the burst rifle, does its job well.

Ez Katze can shred alpha abductors. Arisaka isn't even good at killing the small abductors aside from the mobile and melee grunts but you do you.

[Carnatux]

Melee > Guns

Guns mostly better for clearing fodder even Barbara is ok for abductors but still gonna get better results swing a sword around the abductor

[Didaibr]

what upgrade for katze? impact damage?

[N/A]

Originally posted by Didaibr:

what upgrade for katze? impact damage?

I made an 100 will'o one. An 100 ice one would probably be better for softening parts up... Impact is as it ever was massively over hyped. You are also wasting extremely valuable/rare field resources to upgrade them that you could be using on modules.

Red Rage weapons have really only ever been worth it for weapons that really needed everything they could get to just be usable or that already had really high impact already, an Ez Katze is not one of those weapons.

[Rudra]

I've made 100 Will'O weapons back on Vita and they were somewhat of a letdown.
On things weak to it it's nice (mostly the final boss Peltatums/Oltatums), but on the majority of Abductors you're doing very poor damage since most of them resist the element itself. Not the explosions it causes thankfully.

A combination of ice and will'o is probably best, but only impact green upgrades allow that method now.

[Lynsi]

Originally posted by Rudra:

Katze is for anything "not Abductor" as a general fodder clearer.
Barbara for Abductors. Barbara could stunlock abductors if I recall correctly.

Currently struggling greatly because I'm at endgame with level 3 weapons since only notched weapons are worth upgrading and I don't have a notched Barbara.
Thought of trying melee for once, as I have some power notched ones. Might be fun...? But mastering something I've never used seems like a huge undertaking for little reward.

Reg Weapons are also worth upgrading specally since they use entirly diffrent Ressources then notched Weapons. At the very least its worth getting a Wep to LvL 1 of a Advanced Model cause it can take you god knows how long till you get what you want. (Cause afaik the only farmable Weapon is the Sniper due to prob weird Loot Table Shenanigans)

[NiamhNyx]

Originally posted by Lynsi:

Originally posted by Rudra:

Katze is for anything "not Abductor" as a general fodder clearer.
Barbara for Abductors. Barbara could stunlock abductors if I recall correctly.

Currently struggling greatly because I'm at endgame with level 3 weapons since only notched weapons are worth upgrading and I don't have a notched Barbara.
Thought of trying melee for once, as I have some power notched ones. Might be fun...? But mastering something I've never used seems like a huge undertaking for little reward.

Reg Weapons are also worth upgrading specally since they use entirly diffrent Ressources then notched Weapons. At the very least its worth getting a Wep to LvL 1 of a Advanced Model cause it can take you god knows how long till you get what you want. (Cause afaik the only farmable Weapon is the Sniper due to prob weird Loot Table Shenanigans)

all the weapons are farmable, just got to know what parts to break and what abductors to fights.

[NiamhNyx]

Originally posted by Rudra:

I've made 100 Will'O weapons back on Vita and they were somewhat of a letdown.
On things weak to it it's nice (mostly the final boss Peltatums/Oltatums), but on the majority of Abductors you're doing very poor damage since most of them resist the element itself. Not the explosions it causes thankfully.

A combination of ice and will'o is probably best, but only impact green upgrades allow that method now.

impact dual element is kinda worthless with the nerfs they got as you can only go 25/25. Full will'o melee with full ice ranged is so much better.

[N/A]

Originally posted by Rudra:

I've made 100 Will'O weapons back on Vita and they were somewhat of a letdown.
On things weak to it it's nice (mostly the final boss Peltatums/Oltatums), but on the majority of Abductors you're doing very poor damage since most of them resist the element itself. Not the explosions it causes thankfully.

A combination of ice and will'o is probably best, but only impact green upgrades allow that method now.

Will'o has always been strong to everything. People only used Red Rage weapons because they CONVERTED a percentage of the weapons damage into impact or stagger or whatever they called it so you had a CHANCE to flinch enemies on hit which was honestly pointless... Red Rage variants DO NOT ADD damage. Will'o is the strongest element in the game, it's essentially quintessence or pure true raw energy. You use will'o to launch your thorn etc. You couldn't be more wrong about this.

[N/A]

Originally posted by Lynsi:

Originally posted by Rudra:

Katze is for anything "not Abductor" as a general fodder clearer.
Barbara for Abductors. Barbara could stunlock abductors if I recall correctly.

Currently struggling greatly because I'm at endgame with level 3 weapons since only notched weapons are worth upgrading and I don't have a notched Barbara.
Thought of trying melee for once, as I have some power notched ones. Might be fun...? But mastering something I've never used seems like a huge undertaking for little reward.

Reg Weapons are also worth upgrading specally since they use entirly diffrent Ressources then notched Weapons. At the very least its worth getting a Wep to LvL 1 of a Advanced Model cause it can take you god knows how long till you get what you want. (Cause afaik the only farmable Weapon is the Sniper due to prob weird Loot Table Shenanigans)

Those entirely different resources are rare field resources that you can only pick up in Retribution missions which are RNG on top of RNG locked behind end game content. You are not saving anything by upgrading a Red Rage weapon blindly. You need those resources for XL modules to make XXL modules that will make a much bigger difference than whatever variant you pick.

[Crow The Azure Chevalier]

ngl only in original I only use barbara to latch myself onto abductors parts and break em with barbara, even though it did get nerfed here I think it still good at breaking parts off aductors with will o element although I prefer using caliburn for that when the abductor is downed to break parts instead.