For the love of god. why did valve abandon this game!?!?!??!

[Eyeling]

Why do we need to get 500 million ♥♥♥♥♥♥ portal games instead of one day of defeat sequel. words cannot describe how much I hate portal. It is the worst valve series, it shares its spot with dota and Counter strike global offensive. Day of Defeat is such a unique game, but valve stubbornly refuses to support its best franchise. I cant ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stand the lack of love for this game by valve, and by the valve fan community. It drives me ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ crazy.

[RaZoR]

best franchise? sorry the amount of player´s from dods is nearly dead and the game was never big like other games from valve

[Devious Toast [SAC]]

I don't get why people like to compare DoD(S) to other Valve games. The WW2 shooter genre was tapped out hard by better games during the release of DoD(S).

Just take a look at this Wiki for example, and note all the games released between 1999 and 2007
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_video_games

Considering the source release had some unwelcome changes (removed classes, weapons and a complete faction, also a very different feel), the franchise was on one heck of an up-hill battle to survive, the fact that it's still going this long is kind of amazing.

[Eyeling]

@RaZoR I never said it was their biggest franchise. I just said it was their best. size doesn't equal quality. the game was pretty popular in its day, as popular as battlefield was at that time, but it dropped i players quickly due to lack of support.

[Eyeling]

@

Originally posted by Devious Toast:

I don't get why people like to compare DoD(S) to other Valve games. The WW2 shooter genre was tapped out hard by better games during the release of DoD(S).

Just take a look at this Wiki for example, and note all the games released between 1999 and 2007
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_video_games

Considering the source release had some unwelcome changes (removed classes, weapons and a complete faction, also a very different feel), the franchise was on one heck of an up-hill battle to survive, the fact that it's still going this long is kind of amazing.

better games? what ww2 game is better than DOD. I like battlefield 1942, and cod world at war is pretty good, but they aren't the same as DOD. they are very different. DOD was one of the first multiplayer ww2 games, and its game play was very unique, I don't consider it part of the ww2 fad of the early to mid 2000s because dod was its own thing, it didn't try to copy everyone else. technically the commercial version came out after medal of honour and battlefield. but the DOD mod was way before those two. in fact, battlefield 1942 took a lot of inspiration from the DOD mod. there is no reason why DOD should have been cut off. it is a myth that it was always unpopular, it was valve's second most successful multiplayer game, beating Team fortress classic by thousands of players.

[Eyeling]

Originally posted by ⛧ RaZoR ⛧:

best franchise? sorry the amount of player´s from dods is nearly dead and the game was never big like other games from valve

Dod was very popular. it lost popularity when it was abandoned. you only think it wasn't big because it isn't big now. DOD was bigger than TFC ever was. valve seemed to think dod was worth continuing too, because there was a cancelled game called Day of Defeat 2, that was a sort of counter strike global offensive-ish thing but for dod. it was being developed from 2013 to 2015, before it was cancelled so that the devs could work on half life alyx.

[RaZoR]

TFC has only had a maximum of 210 players since 2012. ok it was less popular than DOD which had its max of 654 players since 2012.

But comparing TFC2 and DODS are more than worlds apart between the two games in terms of players.

TFC2 Max Players 150,037

DODS Max Players 2,945


The other should be your main account and you will see that you have hardly played either DOD or DODS

[Eyeling]

Originally posted by ⛧ RaZoR ⛧:

TFC has only had a maximum of 210 players since 2012. ok it was less popular than DOD which had its max of 654 players since 2012.

But comparing TFC2 and DODS are more than worlds apart between the two games in terms of players.

TFC2 Max Players 150,037

DODS Max Players 2,945


The other should be your main account and you will see that you have hardly played either DOD or DODS

Well, im sorry but I don't play games that much. I play them as much as I can. I really like this game a lot, I just don't get many opportunities to play it. I can tell when I really like a game, even if I haven't played it a lot.

[Eyeling]

Originally posted by ⛧ RaZoR ⛧:

TFC has only had a maximum of 210 players since 2012. ok it was less popular than DOD which had its max of 654 players since 2012.

But comparing TFC2 and DODS are more than worlds apart between the two games in terms of players.

TFC2 Max Players 150,037

DODS Max Players 2,945


The other should be your main account and you will see that you have hardly played either DOD or DODS

I dont have a single game with a thousand hours. I wish I could play Day of Defeat more, because it is a lot of fun.

[Devious Toast [SAC]]

Originally posted by eyeling:

@
better games? what ww2 game is better than DOD. I like battlefield 1942, and cod world at war is pretty good, but they aren't the same as DOD. they are very different. DOD was one of the first multiplayer ww2 games, and its game play was very unique, I don't consider it part of the ww2 fad of the early to mid 2000s because dod was its own thing, it didn't try to copy everyone else. technically the commercial version came out after medal of honour and battlefield. but the DOD mod was way before those two. in fact, battlefield 1942 took a lot of inspiration from the DOD mod. there is no reason why DOD should have been cut off. it is a myth that it was always unpopular, it was valve's second most successful multiplayer game, beating Team fortress classic by thousands of players.

Originally posted by eyeling:

Dod was very popular. it lost popularity when it was abandoned. you only think it wasn't big because it isn't big now. DOD was bigger than TFC ever was. valve seemed to think dod was worth continuing too, because there was a cancelled game called Day of Defeat 2, that was a sort of counter strike global offensive-ish thing but for dod. it was being developed from 2013 to 2015, before it was cancelled so that the devs could work on half life alyx.

Just to name a few games better and more popular than the DoD franchise:
MoH
CoD
Battlefield
Sniper Elite.
Brothers in Arms
Red Orchestra

Some of these labels are billion dollar franchises.

BF1942 was never inspired by DoD, nor have the developers made any claims of such. That's like saying Saving Private Ryan or Band of Brothers were inspired by DoD. They are all based off the events of WW2

Only reason DoD was popular was because of it being a free mod of HL, which was an insanely popular game.

DoD was far from being one of the first WW2 shooters, some go back as far as the 80s.

You can considering it not being part of the WW2 fad all you want, it's litterally in the game descriptions "Axis vs. Allied teamplay set in the WWII European Theatre of Operations." & "Valve's WWII Multiplayer Classic". Each WW2 based game plays differently which negates that argument. The facts are pretty black & white, during the late 90s/early 2000s, there were a ton of WW2 games to choose from.

The DoD Franchise started to die the moment DoD:S was released and introduced numerous changes to the game no one wanted or asked for, driving away many of its players to other games such as CoD. The game was still getting regular updates up until the release of CSGO, by which point the games were getting fewer than 3500 players at it's peak combined.

DoD 2 was never intended to be released, it was a pet project of a few developers and not actually supported by Valve.

I find it amuzing that you claim DoD(S) to be the best WW2 games, but yet have less than 100 hours between the two despite claiming to have started playing the game 3 years ago.

[Eyeling]

Originally posted by Devious Toast:

Originally posted by eyeling:

@
better games? what ww2 game is better than DOD. I like battlefield 1942, and cod world at war is pretty good, but they aren't the same as DOD. they are very different. DOD was one of the first multiplayer ww2 games, and its game play was very unique, I don't consider it part of the ww2 fad of the early to mid 2000s because dod was its own thing, it didn't try to copy everyone else. technically the commercial version came out after medal of honour and battlefield. but the DOD mod was way before those two. in fact, battlefield 1942 took a lot of inspiration from the DOD mod. there is no reason why DOD should have been cut off. it is a myth that it was always unpopular, it was valve's second most successful multiplayer game, beating Team fortress classic by thousands of players.

Originally posted by eyeling:

Dod was very popular. it lost popularity when it was abandoned. you only think it wasn't big because it isn't big now. DOD was bigger than TFC ever was. valve seemed to think dod was worth continuing too, because there was a cancelled game called Day of Defeat 2, that was a sort of counter strike global offensive-ish thing but for dod. it was being developed from 2013 to 2015, before it was cancelled so that the devs could work on half life alyx.

Just to name a few games better and more popular than the DoD franchise:
MoH
CoD
Battlefield
Sniper Elite.
Brothers in Arms
Red Orchestra

Some of these labels are billion dollar franchises.

BF1942 was never inspired by DoD, nor have the developers made any claims of such. That's like saying Saving Private Ryan or Band of Brothers were inspired by DoD. They are all based off the events of WW2

Only reason DoD was popular was because of it being a free mod of HL, which was an insanely popular game.

DoD was far from being one of the first WW2 shooters, some go back as far as the 80s.

You can considering it not being part of the WW2 fad all you want, it's litterally in the game descriptions "Axis vs. Allied teamplay set in the WWII European Theatre of Operations." & "Valve's WWII Multiplayer Classic". Each WW2 based game plays differently which negates that argument. The facts are pretty black & white, during the late 90s/early 2000s, there were a ton of WW2 games to choose from.

The DoD Franchise started to die the moment DoD:S was released and introduced numerous changes to the game no one wanted or asked for, driving away many of its players to other games such as CoD. The game was still getting regular updates up until the release of CSGO, by which point the games were getting fewer than 3500 players at it's peak combined.

DoD 2 was never intended to be released, it was a pet project of a few developers and not actually supported by Valve.

I find it amuzing that you claim DoD(S) to be the best WW2 games, but yet have less than 100 hours between the two despite claiming to have started playing the game 3 years ago.

why exactly is dod bad? you haven't explained why it is. and so what if I dont even have 100 hours, I like the game and think its the best ww2 game, why do you care so much? what where these changes? was it bleed, because they removed that in the retail version not DOD:S

[Devious Toast [SAC]]

Originally posted by Devious Toast:

Considering the source release had some unwelcome changes (removed classes, weapons and a complete faction, also a very different feel),

Originally posted by eyeling:

why exactly is dod bad? you haven't explained why it is. and so what if I dont even have 100 hours, I like the game and think its the best ww2 game, why do you care so much? what where these changes? was it bleed, because they removed that in the retail version not DOD:S

To add to what I already stated, the only reason why this game is still alive is to the few people left who actually maintain the server plugins. Adding in things like bleeding, health kits, different ammo counts, custom maps, realism mod, etc.

Many of these mods only exist on the servers and can't be found anywhere else anymore in a working state since the passing of Root in 2015, who was one of the most prominent developers of plugins for DoD:S.

[Eyeling]

Originally posted by Devious Toast:

Originally posted by Devious Toast:

Considering the source release had some unwelcome changes (removed classes, weapons and a complete faction, also a very different feel),

Originally posted by eyeling:

why exactly is dod bad? you haven't explained why it is. and so what if I dont even have 100 hours, I like the game and think its the best ww2 game, why do you care so much? what where these changes? was it bleed, because they removed that in the retail version not DOD:S

To add to what I already stated, the only reason why this game is still alive is to the few people left who actually maintain the server plugins. Adding in things like bleeding, health kits, different ammo counts, custom maps, realism mod, etc.

Many of these mods only exist on the servers and can't be found anywhere else anymore in a working state since the passing of Root in 2015, who was one of the most prominent developers of plugins for DoD:S.

Well I appreciate this response. I may have misjudged your tone. im not to great at telling peoples tone in text. I understand your point now but I still think dod is the best ww2 game. I hope I didn't come off as too much of an ass. wouldn't you want DOD to get another chance though? maybe they'd make it more like the original or the mod or what ever version you like best.

also I didn't mean to make it seem like I thought DOD:S was the best ww2 game. I like DOD:S, but I think the original DOD is way better.

[Eyeling]

Originally posted by eyeling:

Originally posted by Devious Toast:

Just to name a few games better and more popular than the DoD franchise:
MoH
CoD
Battlefield
Sniper Elite.
Brothers in Arms
Red Orchestra

Some of these labels are billion dollar franchises.

BF1942 was never inspired by DoD, nor have the developers made any claims of such. That's like saying Saving Private Ryan or Band of Brothers were inspired by DoD. They are all based off the events of WW2

Only reason DoD was popular was because of it being a free mod of HL, which was an insanely popular game.

DoD was far from being one of the first WW2 shooters, some go back as far as the 80s.

You can considering it not being part of the WW2 fad all you want, it's litterally in the game descriptions "Axis vs. Allied teamplay set in the WWII European Theatre of Operations." & "Valve's WWII Multiplayer Classic". Each WW2 based game plays differently which negates that argument. The facts are pretty black & white, during the late 90s/early 2000s, there were a ton of WW2 games to choose from.

The DoD Franchise started to die the moment DoD:S was released and introduced numerous changes to the game no one wanted or asked for, driving away many of its players to other games such as CoD. The game was still getting regular updates up until the release of CSGO, by which point the games were getting fewer than 3500 players at it's peak combined.

DoD 2 was never intended to be released, it was a pet project of a few developers and not actually supported by Valve.

I find it amuzing that you claim DoD(S) to be the best WW2 games, but yet have less than 100 hours between the two despite claiming to have started playing the game 3 years ago.

why exactly is dod bad? you haven't explained why it is. and so what if I dont even have 100 hours, I like the game and think its the best ww2 game, why do you care so much? what where these changes? was it bleed, because they removed that in the retail version not DOD:S

do you consider left 4 dead as part of the zombie craze? I personally don't because its just like DOD in that it was doing its own thing, a little bit before the craze. and I didn't mean that DOD was one of the first ww2 games, obviously not, it was one of the first ww2 multiplayer games.

what exactly makes those games better anyways? because they are popular? popularity does not make a game good.

[Devious Toast [SAC]]

Originally posted by eyeling:

Well I appreciate this response. I may have misjudged your tone. im not to great at telling peoples tone in text. I understand your point now but I still think dod is the best ww2 game. I hope I didn't come off as too much of an ass. wouldn't you want DOD to get another chance though? maybe they'd make it more like the original or the mod or what ever version you like best.

also I didn't mean to make it seem like I thought DOD:S was the best ww2 game. I like DOD:S, but I think the original DOD is way better.

It would be nice, but Valve will never do it without finding some way to monetise it. TF2 and CS:GO are examples of what I mean, hats, guns knives, etc etc. All items that can be collected in game via game-play, and sold/traded on the Valve market for a cut.

A couple years ago, a group attempted to remake DoD with a game called Days of War. It flopped pretty hard for numerous reasons. Why it's still on the store is beyond me, the game is dead and abandoned. Seemed like it was a cash grab more than anything.

[Eyeling]

Originally posted by Devious Toast:

Originally posted by eyeling:

Well I appreciate this response. I may have misjudged your tone. im not to great at telling peoples tone in text. I understand your point now but I still think dod is the best ww2 game. I hope I didn't come off as too much of an ass. wouldn't you want DOD to get another chance though? maybe they'd make it more like the original or the mod or what ever version you like best.

also I didn't mean to make it seem like I thought DOD:S was the best ww2 game. I like DOD:S, but I think the original DOD is way better.

It would be nice, but Valve will never do it without finding some way to monetise it. TF2 and CS:GO are examples of what I mean, hats, guns knives, etc etc. All items that can be collected in game via game-play, and sold/traded on the Valve market for a cut.

A couple years ago, a group attempted to remake DoD with a game called Days of War. It flopped pretty hard for numerous reasons. Why it's still on the store is beyond me, the game is dead and abandoned. Seemed like it was a cash grab more than anything.

good point, they'd probably ruin it even more than they already have. maybe its better we dont get another.