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At what point, i am not talking about the key item you get from the story, but the actual recipe so i can make the weapon
You can find the recipe inside of the fortress that you unlock with the crows feather after reaching the bottom depth of B3. Go, unlock the forest, and in the second area to your left there will be a shadow panther mini boss. Kill it and straight ahead is your prize.
I think you can acess the fortress before obtaining the crows feather because after i cleared a few shrines Trip mencioned that the glow from the fortress was weaker (NOT CONFIRMED)
He mentions it is weaker, but it doesn't let you in. You need the crow feather and to have done enough shrines to make it weaker. Trip is just confirming you have done one part of it.