Blood II: The Chosen + Expansion

Blood II: The Chosen + Expansion

DO NOT BUY if you have Windows 10 64-bit
Win10 64-bit doesn't have 16 bit support. None of the fixes here or elsewhere work.
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Draven Crow Sep 9, 2020 @ 9:48pm 
For me, the biggest gripe outside the game itself is definitely the bugs, glitches and CTDs that happen, sometimes without warning and worst of them all *drum roll* the freezes which can seize up your PC. I know I stand alone when I say this but... This game definitely returns to a day when most studios were able to make decent games before corporate greed became how things were run.
Emol Dandriel Nov 7, 2020 @ 5:08pm 
The game worked "fine" with the guide published here on the guides section. The only problem were the repeated freezes that force to restart your computer, but even with that, I was able to play it and enjoy to the end, both the main game and its expansion (which I specially loved)
CLBrown Nov 24, 2020 @ 3:32pm 
Originally posted by RoyaleWare_X51:
Meh, not only with that issue but this game is complete trash and an insult to Blood 1 imo. Game has been broken and incomplete since the first released... GT Interactive really screw over Monolith studio when they made this...
A meaningless comment.

You PERSONALLY don't like the game. That's fine. You're fully entitled to your opinion.

But you're not making any argument supporting your point.

Personally, I LIKE this game. And, I LIKE the original "Blood."

They really don't feel like they're RELATED. That's true. They're drastically different games. But when viewed independently, both are pretty good. Not "great," but "pretty good."

The problem really is that the second game is almost entirely unrelated to the first game... in play style, in visuals, in audio, in overall "feel." That's perfectly all right, except if you really, really LOVED the first game and were expecting "more of the same." If that's the case, you'll be disappointed, that's true.

But when viewed SEPARATELY... without comparing it to the first game... it's actually a pretty decent game. Not a "100% great" game... more like a "70% great game." A lot better than many other 1st-person shooter/slasher/etc games out there.

It's just not really in the same ballpark as "Blood." No more than Doom 3 was the same as the original Doom.
Last edited by CLBrown; Nov 24, 2020 @ 3:33pm
RdXRoNsFs Dec 22, 2020 @ 12:38am 
Originally posted by CLBrown:
Originally posted by RoyaleWare_X51:
Meh, not only with that issue but this game is complete trash and an insult to Blood 1 imo. Game has been broken and incomplete since the first released... GT Interactive really screw over Monolith studio when they made this...
A meaningless comment.

You PERSONALLY don't like the game. That's fine. You're fully entitled to your opinion.

But you're not making any argument supporting your point.

Personally, I LIKE this game. And, I LIKE the original "Blood."

They really don't feel like they're RELATED. That's true. They're drastically different games. But when viewed independently, both are pretty good. Not "great," but "pretty good."

The problem really is that the second game is almost entirely unrelated to the first game... in play style, in visuals, in audio, in overall "feel." That's perfectly all right, except if you really, really LOVED the first game and were expecting "more of the same." If that's the case, you'll be disappointed, that's true.

But when viewed SEPARATELY... without comparing it to the first game... it's actually a pretty decent game. Not a "100% great" game... more like a "70% great game." A lot better than many other 1st-person shooter/slasher/etc games out there.

It's just not really in the same ballpark as "Blood." No more than Doom 3 was the same as the original Doom.
LMAO that guy is right though. This game is just generic, bland, boring, tedious, dull, dumb, mundane, poorly designed mediocre fps that lacked anything unique. All the fund was taken out in favor of jumping on the 3D bandwagon in hopes of making money off an earlier success, yet horrible execution. Good for you if you like but it's a fact that this game was failed to deliver and just a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and literally most people have a similar opinion as I am. Even Civvie 11 has stated that this game is literally just utter trash. Are you trying to defend this piece of sh*t game ?! PFFFTTT, NOT GONNA BUY THIS GAME WHATSOEVER ! It's not even good compared to the most underrated, overlooked and great forgotten game out there either. And for this thread, it's a good warning but should be warn for people to NOT BUY THIS GAME AT ALL AS WELL. NOT only broken but the content are just mediocre and just a worst fps of all time. Fact !
Last edited by RdXRoNsFs; Dec 22, 2020 @ 8:48am
CLBrown Dec 24, 2020 @ 6:01am 
Originally posted by RdXRoNsFs:
LMAO
I've found that anyone who has to WRITE DOWN "laughing my 4$$ off" realizes that there's no ACTUAL humor in what he or she is saying. Real humor is obvious. "Snark" pretending to be humor, on the other hand, isn't funny at all, and thus almost universally relies on sad tricks like writing down "LMAO."
... that guy is right though.
"Iz Not! IZ TOO!"

Not an especially effective arguing technique. Assertion in lieu of evidence.
This game is just generic, bland, boring, tedious, dull, dumb, mundane, poorly designed mediocre fps that lacked anything unique. All the fund was taken out in favor of jumping on the 3D bandwagon in hopes of making money off an earlier success, yet horrible execution.
Was it? Are you PROVING anything you just wrote, or just (again) ASSERTING IT, thinking (wrongly) that saying "IZ NOT! IZ TOO!" is how "arguing" is done?

It isn't "generic." It has quite a bit of style, in fact, but that style is simply a different style than the first game had. "Bland, boring, tedious, dull, mundane?" All synonyms. Essentially just shouting "IZ NOT! IZ NOT!" again and again, thinking it will be "convincing" if you just shout it loudly enough. You haven't actually SUPPORTED your claim, in any way. What was lacking in the game design, which was good? What was present, which was bad? Be SPECIFIC. (And saying "fun was absent" isn't an answer. That's just saying the same emotional thing once again, using slightly different language.)
Good for you if you like but it's a fact that this game was failed to deliver and just a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and literally most people have a similar opinion as I am.
It's apparent that either (a) English is not your first, or even second, language, or (b) you're just very, very poorly educated, and have poor language skills. Oh, and you seem to think that using profanity somehow makes you more likely to be taken seriously... which infers that you're likely about twelve years old... or at least the mental equivalent of a twelve-year-old. Most of us grow up eventually.

Oh, and the "and everyone agrees with me" tactic is a universally rejected one. It's weak sauce, attempting to bolster your own position by unsupported claims of "authority" which you, yourself, have not earned.

You literally have NO IDEA what "everyone else" happens to think, nor can you speak for "everyone else," unless you have some scientifically collected, statistically meaningful data proving that. And I'm pretty sure you don't. So, while you can certainly speak for yourself, you can speak for no one else, and it's ridiculous to pretend otherwise.
Even Civvie 11 has stated that this game is literally just utter trash.
And I should care who this "Civvie 11" is, and what he or she says? Again, the weakest possible "appeal to authority in lieu of an argument" tactic. It's not saying that you're wrong, it's saying that you don't have faith in your OWN argument, because you're not defending your own argument, you're just trying to pretend that "peer pressure" is more important than actual reasoned arguments. (sigh)

And "literally just utter trash?" Apart from emotionally laden over-the-top "garbage writing," what exactly does that mean? "LITERALLY TRASH?" So, this game is made up of unrelated, thrown away elements from other things, not intended for consumption, just for disposal?

Do you think adding "literally" and "utter" to your statement actually makes it STRONGER? It doesn't. It makes your statement more ridiculous nothing more and nothing less. If you think that the game is "trash," you should establish, using facts, logic, and reason, WHY you think it's "trash." You should NOT insert terms like "literally" (which you're using entirely incorrectly here, obviously) or "utterly" (which is an absolutist term which infers that there is NOTHING redeeming about this game whatsoever).

Even the worst FPS games I've ever encountered have SOME redeeming values, however small they may happen to be. "Daikatana" had fun bits. "Alien Anarchy" had some interesting ideas. "Alien Cabal" had a few pieces of decent design behind it. And so on. These games were TERRIBLE, in my opinion, but even they were not "utterly" devoid of any redeeming value, nor were they "literally trash." They were just poorly designed games which, as a result of their poor design, sold poorly and earned a lot of scorn.

Did this game earn as much scorn? Nope. But it did earn some legitimate complaints. Some about bugs, and some about how it was not thematically related to the first game. Those are legitimate points, and can be supported with actual reasoned arguments. It was not as beloved as the first game, that's for certain. And that was certainly a mistake by the developers, no doubt. But that doesn't make it "literally utter trash." (sigh)
Are you trying to defend this piece of sh*t game ?!
Again with the "I'm a bratty twelve-year-old" routine. No, I'm trying to judge this game FAIRLY and ACCURATELY. Pointing out it's shortcomings, but not allowing the sort of ridiculous garbage YOU just spewed to go unchallenged.

The game needs no "defense." It stands, as it is, for each of us, individually, to judge.

My main issue with this game isn't the game design, it's the fact that it's so awkward to get running on many modern system configurations. I have multiple computers, and only three of them I own are capable of running this at present. The only one capable of running it WELL is a desktop system running Windows XP, and then, only if I disable the sound card and go with the AC97 codec on the motherboard.

That's annoying as @#$*, no doubt. But once done, the game can be run, and is relatively enjoyable to play. It's not "literally utter trash" or "a sh1tshow" or whatever else you try to label it. It's not the best game ever... but it's a fun way to spend some hours. Just not the same sort of game as the first "Blood" was.
PFFFTTT, NOT GONNA BUY THIS GAME WHATSOEVER !
Waitaminute... so you don't even own the game? How, then, can you have any idea how it plays?

Could it be... hmmm... that you're just a troll?

Or are you a "pirate?" Having played it without ever buying it? (In which case, well, your frustrations with the game would be due to the "pirated copies are broken" technique these particular game devs used, I would guess!)

In either case, I tend to laugh at people who have no legitimate knowledge of a subject matter, pretending to speak authoritatively on it. So, that's just another reason for me to ridicule you. You've given me plenty of opportunities to do so, haven't you?
It's not even good compared to the most underrated, overlooked and great forgotten game out there either.
That's an ODD comment. You're claiming to be "making a comparison," but not stating specifically what you're comparing it to... only saying that whatever you're hypothetically comparing it to is "underrrated, overlooked and great," which might be a legitimate claim, if you were stating what game you refer to and comparing the two, using facts, logic, and reason.

Case in point... comparing it to "Thief - The Dark Project." That game, to me, is likely the most "underrated, overlooked, and great" game out there. Those who know it LOVE it, but far too many people know nothing about it. And this game is by no means even remotely as good as that game, certainly... it's one of my favorites, while this game is just an "also-ran" in my collection... not standing out too much in any way.

I get the impression you were trying to say it's "bad compared to other games which are NOT all that great." But that's not what you wrote, is it?

And thus, your comment is simply meaningless, and ridiculous to boot.
And for this thread, it's a good warning but should be warn for people to NOT BUY THIS GAME AT ALL AS WELL. NOT only broken but the content are just mediocre and just a worst fps of all time. Fact !
Uh-huh. A "warning." Fine. Whatever you say, kiddo.

People can make their own decisions, based upon FACTS. Facts like "It doesn't run on many modern systems," or "it's not stylistically or thematically the same as the first game, so if you expect more of the first game, you'll be disappointed."

But emotionally-fraud imprecations, like you keep spouting? Those are WORTHLESS. They tell no one anything, except that you think people should listen to you because you stamp your feet and shout and pout and hold your breath unti you turn blue.

And trust me, kiddo, this is NOT even in the running for "the worst FPS of all time." It's also not in the running for "the best FPS of all time," of course. It's just a fairly solid, middle-of-the-pack FPS, which wasted an opportunity to win good will by deviating too far from the "parent" property it was based upon.

Want some really bad First-person-shooter action? Try "Terra Wars: N.Y. Invasion."
Dajaxx00 Jan 23, 2021 @ 1:08am 
i playing this game in windows 10 64 bit but its works so good
R_E_D_A_C_T_E_D Mar 12, 2021 @ 2:49pm 
This worked for my GoG version, should work the same with Steam. Just unzip, drag and drop contained files into games install folder.

... PROFIT!!!

https://github.com/elishacloud/wiki-attachments/raw/master/dxwrapper/Games/Blood%20II%20The%20Chosen/blood2-fix.zip
Last edited by R_E_D_A_C_T_E_D; Mar 12, 2021 @ 2:53pm
RdXRoNsFs Mar 14, 2021 @ 7:12am 
GT Interactive being ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ as always. Glad they died out
Löthar Storm Mar 23, 2021 @ 1:31am 
After a few simple fixes (for folks willing to read & comprehend) this title on steam runs a-o.k. for me just as it did back in '99. (note: I played as Caleb at all times, but then again, who the hell wouldn't? anyone else is asking for problems.) Civvie 11 on youtube don't play guitar or drums or bass very well, if at all, & he don't develop vidyagames so why should I give a flyin' f*ck what he says. I piss on his corpse in Postal 4. :D
pseudozardozz Apr 5, 2021 @ 11:18am 
There's plenty of blame to throw around for Blood2's many flaws. GT decided that every shooter could be developed in 7 months because ID did it with quake. Some of B2's funding was siphoned off to pay for Captain Claw. Moving to a 3d engine did not go smoothly for some franchises. 1st gen 3d tech could not replicate some of the 2.5 features that earlier engines brought to the table.

It's pointless to beat up on blood2 because there wasn't a 36 month development time, which Blood and half life benefited from tremendously. B2 cannot hope to match the gameplay dynamics of it's younger sibling, that's just a fact. It still has moments of humor and combat that are worth while.
CLBrown Apr 7, 2021 @ 1:23pm 
There's one other issue to blame for Lithtech Engine game problems.

Microsoft. Lithtech designed the engine in collaboration with Microsoft. It "optimized" by using backdoors (undocumented) within DirectX, for example. Things not documented in official literature, and (since the programmers who worked on that are long since moved on) no longer easily managed. Most of these "backdoors" were removed over time.

It's possible to recode the engine... in part or in full.. to run on more "routine" systems. But, apart from TRON 2.0, I'm unaware of any games which have seen that fully accomplished.

Night Dive and GOG were trying to get the rights to do this... they've done it before... with the NOLF games. But somehow, the rights to do so proved impossible to obtain.

Here's an article on the Lithtech engine. If you go through the list, you can likely pick out your own favorite "won't run on modern systems" game.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LithTech

Remarkably, almost ALL "won't run on modern systems" issues are related to one of two things... Microsoft altering "DirectX" (and in the process disabling functionaity once used by a particular piece of software), or "copy protection."

The first is actually usually fairly easy to get around (with, as you could probably guess, the notable exception of Lithtech engine games). Yes, games written to run on DirectX 7 usually won't run properly on a modern system... and God help you if you want to run anything earlier than that.

HOWEVER... there are "wrappers" which translate the calls to those earlier versions of DirectX into DX9 or DX11... making the overwhelming majority of these older games fully functional on modern systems if used. I use one written by a fellow who goes by Dege... not mentioning it by name in case Valve is still grumpy about "unofficial" patches, as they were a while back.. but there are several options available to accomplish the same thing. Anything that can translate "old DirectX" calls into their "new DirectX" equivalents should work just fine.

Between my DirectX (and Voodoo) wrapper(s) and DOSBox (which Valve makes use of... albeit initially without properly crediting the authors as required by law!)... the vast majority of "old games" can be run on my modern 64-bit system.

There's a gap in there... programs specifically written to run on Win3x, using 16-bit code. DOS (and thus DOSbox) run 8-bit code... but note, you CAN install Windows 3.x in DOSBox and get that 16-bit support. I have a DOSBox installation of WIndows for Workgroups 3.11 which runs all my "lost" 16-bit stuff, running in a single folder on my 64-bit system.

In fact, the ONLY stuff I've found pretty much impossible to make work have been Lithtech programs. However... they are "hit and miss," and seem to suffer more problems from Lithtech's SOUND DirectX support than from Lithtech's VIDEO DirectX support. I've found, for example, that by disabling my system's main audio and using a set of USB speakers, in stereo and at low quality, SOME of these Lithtech engine games will run.
Last edited by CLBrown; Apr 8, 2021 @ 4:39pm
works just fine on Linux with Proton XD
nessy Apr 11, 2021 @ 12:43pm 
Originally posted by ShinyDivaGX:
This worked for my GoG version, should work the same with Steam. Just unzip, drag and drop contained files into games install folder.

... PROFIT!!!

https://github.com/elishacloud/wiki-attachments/raw/master/dxwrapper/Games/Blood%20II%20The%20Chosen/blood2-fix.zip
can confirm, this works. dgvoodoo didn't work for me but this does
UmbralPenumbra Apr 15, 2021 @ 7:45pm 
Keeping an XP virtual machine is a good idea for games like this, or a 7 VM, because it works on 7 for me at least
CLBrown Apr 16, 2021 @ 3:34am 
Originally posted by Banana:
Keeping an XP virtual machine is a good idea for games like this, or a 7 VM, because it works on 7 for me at least
Wh at virtual machine are you using?

I ask because most VMs don't include emulation for all hardware features. For example, you can run "software graphics" in VMs, but seldom can run hardware-accelerated graphics in DMs.

If you're running this in a VM, you must be using one of those with full hardware acceleration support. I'm curious which one you've had success with re: this game.
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