Dark Angels in "Space Hulk: Deathwing"

[Arthurus]

Well, I'm just wondering why they choose this Space Marine Chapter for the game. The Dark Angels are a well known Chapter, with intersting story (unless they're all heretics and should be excommunicate^^) but in fact they only focus on hunting The Fallen (the half of 1st Legion who betray The Lion with Luther schism). The Dark Angels not really care for other forces who threats the Imperium, Plus, The Deathwing 1st company is specially in charge of The Fallen hunt as they're some of the few who knows that terrible secret. I really hope the game could find a good reason for why the Deathwing are sent to clear a Space Hukl full of Tyranids cause it's not the original prerogative of that company ... The Deathwing is well know for the migthy bone armor Terminators, and the game take place in a Space Hulk, with Terminators, but it' seems a bit cheap to me for choosing This Chapter in particularly. I hope they're here to find some lost artefact at least, if not, it could be Blood Angels 1st company, Ultramarines, Imperial Fist or what ever...

[GM]

Probably because in the original board game, the Librarian was first featured in the Dark Angles, Deathwing box set.

[MrMango]

Originally posted by Arthurus:

The Dark Angels not really care for other forces who threats the Imperium,

Uhm, yes, they do.

Deathwing also does not exist solely to fight the Fallen, they can be called upon to fight pretty much anyone, the Hunt of the Fallen just takes precedence over anything else for them.

Blood Angels, Ultramarines and Imperial Fists simply can not enter a Space Hulk Willy Nilly as they don't have the Terminator Armor to spare for such a mission.

[Arthurus]

Originally posted by GM:

Probably because in the original board game, the Librarian was first featured in the Dark Angles, Deathwing box set.

Ho thanks, I did not know that. When I look the original box the colors of the Terminators looks like the Blood Angels one...

[RoflTank]

Originally posted by TAW| MrMango:

Blood Angels, Ultramarines and Imperial Fists simply can not enter a Space Hulk Willy Nilly as they don't have the Terminator Armor to spare for such a mission.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh wait, you're serious...

Those are all First Founding Chapters. As befitting their status as ex-Legions, they have the highest concentrations of rare and powerful wargear in the Imperium, even artifacts from the DAoT. Every single one of them has a 1st Company, and every single 1st Company is equipped with enough Terminator suits for their entire number. In fact, the only Chapters that couldn't gather enough Terminator armor to equip a 1st Company would be ones that are on AdMech's ♥♥♥♥-list; or so far on the fringe of Imperial space they barely get a supply ship every century or so.

[Arthurus]

I'm not a huge specialist of the Dark Angels story and lore but I remember I read somewhere: "When Dark Angels fight other ennemy than Chaos Space Marine or fight alongside with other Chapters it's because a Fallen is near..." Excuse me if i'm wrong, but they seems verry obsessed with hunting The Fallen, regardless of the rest. For the Terminators armor, I knew Deathwing have a plenty of those armor, more than any other Chapters, but I did not know that those other Chapters are so in lack that they can't engage five for a mission... They are precious, okay, but not to the point that Chapter Master begrudge to use it. I think on the contrary that they use it constantly because they are so much powerfull that do without should be a verry strange choice...

[RoflTank]

Originally posted by Arthurus:

I'm not a huge specialist of the Dark Angels story and lore but I remember I read somewhere: "When Dark Angels fight other ennemy than Chaos Space Marine or fight allongside with other Chapters it's because a Fallen is near..." Excuse me if i'm wrong, but they seems verry obsessed with hunting The Fallen, regardless of the rest. For the Terminators armor, I knew Deathwing have a plenty of those armor, more than any other Chapters, but I did not know that those other Chapters are so in lack that they can't engage five for a mission

The other Chapters have MORE than enough Terminators and Terminator suits to mount an attack on a Space Hulk, that guy is just full of s**t and doesn't know his 40k lore.

[Chaoslord 87]

Originally posted by RoflTank:

Originally posted by TAW| MrMango:

Blood Angels, Ultramarines and Imperial Fists simply can not enter a Space Hulk Willy Nilly as they don't have the Terminator Armor to spare for such a mission.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh wait, you're serious...

Those are all First Founding Chapters. As befitting their status as ex-Legions, they have the highest concentrations of rare and powerful wargear in the Imperium, even artifacts from the DAoT. Every single one of them has a 1st Company, and every single 1st Company is equipped with enough Terminator suits for their entire number. In fact, the only Chapters that couldn't gather enough Terminator armor to equip a 1st Company would be ones that are on AdMech's ♥♥♥♥-list; or so far on the fringe of Imperial space they barely get a supply ship every century or so.

Even the first- founding Chapters with the exception of the Dark Angels can´t fully equip the 1st Company with Terminator Arnour. The main reason for this is, that the AdMech´s somehow forget how to build them from the scratch and the sheer amount of raw materials and skilled Techpriests to build even one of them.

The same problem goes also with Dreadnoughts, Emperor Class Battleships, Volkite weapons etc.

[Luxey]

I don't get why the choice of chapter for the protagonists is such an issue... All Space Marines are trained to deal with the same situations, but some just excell at certain situations more than others. Why should it matter if we play the Dark Angels or the Blood Angels or the Imperial Fists?

Plus, the devs hired Gav Thorpe to do the story writing. For all we know, there's a specific thing or person the Deathwing are going after on the space hulk. I guess we'll just have to wait for release to see why the Dark Angels are actually appear to be helping the Imperium instead of staying on their personal crusade of 'repentance' like they usually do...

[Arthurus]

Originally posted by Chaoslord 87:

Originally posted by RoflTank:

Even the first- founding Chapters with the exception of the Dark Angels can´t fully equip the 1st Company with Terminator Arnour. The main reason for this is, that the AdMech´s somehow forget how to build them from the scratch and the sheer amount of raw materials and skilled Techpriests to build even of them.

The same problem goes also with Dreadnoughts, Emperor Class Battleships, Volkite weapons etc.

I'm ok with that. I don't think all the Chapters, even 1st founding ones can align hundred of Tactical Dreadnought Armor to equipe the hundred men of his 1st company in the same time. In fact we don't know how much Terminator suit a Chapter possess. The STC have not been recover yet, or maybe never exist, the lost of one of this armor is a great loss, but don't tell me that ANY Chapter can't range five of them to scoot a Space Hulk, please !

[Jackson Lamb]

Originally posted by TAW| MrMango:

Originally posted by Arthurus:

The Dark Angels not really care for other forces who threats the Imperium,

Blood Angels, Ultramarines and Imperial Fists simply can not enter a Space Hulk Willy Nilly as they don't have the Terminator Armor to spare for such a mission.

This is one of the main reasons the Deathwing are so well suited for Hulk incursions: For some reason they have an unusually well stocked armorium with far more suits of Terminator armor than other chapters next to probably only the Grey Knights.


As with other points in the thread, you'll often find that different chapters have different specialisms, the Raven Guard are specialist at "Guerrilla warfare and lightning attacks", The Blood Angels are specialists at "Assault, Deep Striking", The Ultramarines are specialists at "Siege Warfare", The White Scars are specialists at "Fast attack" and so on.



Hey, hopefully the game has mod support or is open enough to allow us to tinker with the files so the termis can be whatever chapter you want them to be!

[MrMango]

Originally posted by RoflTank:

Those are all First Founding Chapters. As befitting their status as ex-Legions, they have the highest concentrations of rare and powerful wargear in the Imperium, even artifacts from the DAoT. Every single one of them has a 1st Company, and every single 1st Company is equipped with enough Terminator suits for their entire number. In fact, the only Chapters that couldn't gather enough Terminator armor to equip a 1st Company would be ones that are on AdMech's ♥♥♥♥-list; or so far on the fringe of Imperial space they barely get a supply ship every century or so.

The Dark Angels are the ONLY Chapter than can fully equip, maintain and (somehow) retain their number of Terminator suits. No other Chapter can do that. Doesn't matter whether you prefer the Smurfs, Yellow Masochists or Space Furries.

Fact of the matter is that only an extremely small number of Space Marines in other chapters will ever get Terminator honours, while the Dark Angels and their successor chapters can field hundreds of them, should the need arise.

Theory/lore-reasonish is that the Dark Angels managed to grab all the Terminator armour they could find (perhaps even the plans to build them) while the Space Wolves got the Ships and Dreadnoughts.

[RoflTank]

Originally posted by Chaoslord 87:

Even the first- founding Chapters with the exception of the Dark Angels can´t fully equip the 1st Company with Terminator Arnour. The main reason for this is, that the AdMech´s somehow forget how to build them from the scratch and the sheer amount of raw materials and skilled Techpriests to build even one of them.

The same problem goes also with Dreadnoughts, Emperor Class Battleships, Volkite weapons etc.

That's garbage and you know it.

At no point does it say that any Chapters, let alone ex-Legion Chapters, struggle to outfit their 1st Companies with sizable numbers of Terminator suits. As well, it's stated that there's a slow but steady supply of new Terminator suits being produced by the AdMech, so lost suits can be replaced, at great cost in both materials and time. The rarity and value of Terminator armor is the entire reason that only 1st Company Marines are trained for and equipped with Terminator suits.

On top of that, nowhere in the Dark Angels fluff does it state that the Deathwing has the most Terminator suits available. Going off the fluff, the Ultramarines or Salamanders would have the highest numbers of functional Terminator suits out of all the Chapters. The former because they have several Forge Worlds under their control, and the latter because their Chapter's craftsmanship is legendary (they build and maintain vast stores of mastercrafted equipment).

I'll give you only ONE thing: Deathwing Terminators are easily among the most skilled and dangerous Terminators, and that's saying something.

[MrMango]

Originally posted by Arthurus:

I'm not a huge specialist of the Dark Angels story and lore but I remember I read somewhere: "When Dark Angels fight other ennemy than Chaos Space Marine or fight alongside with other Chapters it's because a Fallen is near..." Excuse me if i'm wrong, but they seems verry obsessed with hunting The Fallen, regardless of the rest. For the Terminators armor, I knew Deathwing have a plenty of those armor, more than any other Chapters, but I did not know that those other Chapters are so in lack that they can't engage five for a mission... They are precious, okay, but not to the point that Chapter Master begrudge to use it. I think on the contrary that they use it constantly because they are so much powerfull that do without should be a verry strange choice...

The first part is completely false. The Dark Angels and their successors, except perhaps the Angels of Redemption, fight plenty of enemies without any Fallen nearby - the Deathwing is mostly used in the most dire situations though and rarely with Allies nearby.

And no, Terminator Squads are extremely rarely used. They are reserved for Veteran Squads only and even they won't use them unless absoloutly necessary or when the gain heavily outweighs the risk. (Boarding assault for example on a command vessel)

Keep in mind, no one but the Dark Angels (as far as we know) can replace their Terminator Suits. Even though Authors like to glance over that, the lore states pretty clearly that every destroyed suit is lost forever.

[RoflTank]

Originally posted by TAW| MrMango:

The Dark Angels are the ONLY Chapter than can fully equip, maintain and (somehow) retain their number of Terminator suits. No other Chapter can do that. Doesn't matter whether you prefer the Smurfs, Yellow Masochists or Space Furries.

Fact of the matter is that only an extremely small number of Space Marines in other chapters will ever get Terminator honours, while the Dark Angels and their successor chapters can field hundreds of them, should the need arise.

Theory/lore-reasonish is that the Dark Angels managed to grab all the Terminator armour they could find (perhaps even the plans to build them) while the Space Wolves got the Ships and Dreadnoughts.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Try actually reading Dark Angels lore. At no point is it mentioned that they magically have more Terminator suits than ANY other Chapter, nor does any other lore state that other Chapters cannot assault Space Hulks. What it does say is that their 1st Company fights exclusively in Terminator Armor. Not saying much considering your average 1st Company is like 80% Terminators IN TERMINATOR ARMOR. And since none of the First Founding Chapters are mentioned to have undersized 1st Companies, then they're all running several full Terminator squads.

In fact, if the garbage you're trying to sell is true, then a large number of canon events and books would become suddenly non-canon. But since that's not the case, you're simply ignorant of your 40k lore.

[Jackson Lamb]

Originally posted by RoflTank:

Originally posted by TAW| MrMango:

The Dark Angels are the ONLY Chapter than can fully equip, maintain and (somehow) retain their number of Terminator suits. No other Chapter can do that. Doesn't matter whether you prefer the Smurfs, Yellow Masochists or Space Furries.

Fact of the matter is that only an extremely small number of Space Marines in other chapters will ever get Terminator honours, while the Dark Angels and their successor chapters can field hundreds of them, should the need arise.

Theory/lore-reasonish is that the Dark Angels managed to grab all the Terminator armour they could find (perhaps even the plans to build them) while the Space Wolves got the Ships and Dreadnoughts.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Try actually reading Dark Angels lore. At no point is it mentioned that they magically have more Terminator suits than ANY other Chapter, nor does any other lore state that other Chapters cannot assault Space Hulks. What it does say is that their 1st Company fights exclusively in Terminator Armor. Not saying much considering your average 1st Company is like 80% Terminators IN TERMINATOR ARMOR. And since none of the First Founding Chapters are mentioned to have undersized 1st Companies, then they're all running several full Terminator squads.

In fact, if the garbage you're trying to sell is true, then a large number of canon events and books would become suddenly non-canon. But since that's not the case, you're simply ignorant of your 40k lore.

Jesus christ, calm down.