Space Hulk: Deathwing

Space Hulk: Deathwing

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Schmidti 2 ENE 2017 a las 15:05
Lore questions
Hi@all,

I'm not that much into the warhammer/40k lore but I allways loved a few warhammer games. While playing space hulk I get the feeling to understand only half of the stuff your commander task's you with.
So I have a few questions which I hope you can answer me :)

Those...Servo Skulls? Is this the name? Those flying skulls with a glowing red eye, what's their purpose? Are they a kind of messenger in the 40k universe?

What's a spacehulk? A cluster of ships?

What exactly do you do with your team? Securing those wrecked ships and the artifacts okay...but why are such primitive alien species after the relics? Do they know how to use them?

Last question: Have you a few books that you could recommend me? I would love to know more about this universe, especially over space marines and the "normal" soldiers (guardsmen?)


Thanks in advance!
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Jesse 2 ENE 2017 a las 15:36 
I've recently been reading up on the lore and find it very interesting. This guy has done some great lore videos explaining from present time until the year 40k. I've really enjoyed them (this is part 1 of 2).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyPjE1Sn-Ts
Última edición por Jesse; 2 ENE 2017 a las 15:37
hillslam 2 ENE 2017 a las 15:56 
Servo Skulls are general purpose messengers / scanners/ recording devices. Fun fact, they are actual skulls from dead adepts in the Administratum. It is considered a great honor to have one's skull used for a servo skull.

Space Hulks of great congealed masses of matter (ship, rock, asteroid, bits of planets) that have drifted together within the eddying currents of the warp. In the warp nothing acts as it does in reality: gravity, time, cause and effect, nothing. But physical bodies moving thru the immaterium (another name for the warp) leave wakes and tend to attract the denizens of the warp.

Tyranids tend to hitch rides on them because the warp does not bother thier alien mind (humans unprotected in the warp either immediately die or go mad or are consumed by the entities there (demons etc).

Tyranids do not care about tech, only biomass. They are also not primitive but highly intelligent (at least the gestalt collective conciousness called the hive mind). Like a single ant is pretty dumb but a whole colony displays great organization and purpose of mind. This is Tyranids but x1000. As for the geneseed, they always seek to add new biomass qualities to their own, as they are a race of hyper-evolving creatures, ever changing.

You and your team are there to do the chapter's bidding. AKA whatever the chapter master orders you to do. Belial. In this case, the space hulk popped out of the immaterium and needed dealt with. The Dark Angels were the nearest imperial forces and so it fell to them to assault the hulk and deal with it before it threatened nearby imperial worlds. They mention the imperial fleet arriving to help, but even with many ships pounding it a hulk can take a long time to be vaporized, if at all.

The warhammer universe is incredibly deep and rich, being over 30 years old and continually added to by millions of fans around the world.

Any more questions feel free to ask :) I love talking lore.
Nexus 2 ENE 2017 a las 16:14 
Bookwise the Lore tends to be pretty spreadout and weaved into the worlds they're written about. I quite like personally Dan Abnett, he writes very human stories. Graham McNeil is pretty good. If you want to read about how 40k became the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that it is the Horus Heresy series of books are good and multiplying fast
Schmidti 2 ENE 2017 a las 16:14 
Publicado originalmente por Jesse:
I've recently been reading up on the lore and find it very interesting. This guy has done some great lore videos explaining from present time until the year 40k. I've really enjoyed them (this is part 1 of 2).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyPjE1Sn-Ts

Thank you, will definitely watch this when I have the time! :)



Publicado originalmente por hillslam:
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Any more questions feel free to ask :) I love talking lore.

And also thank you for your long and interesting answers! I have indeed one more question:

Why are there seals everywhere with...psalms? I can't read all of them, but they are everywhere. Are the operators of the ship highly spiritual?

Publicado originalmente por Otiose Nexus:
If you want to read about how 40k became the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that it is the Horus Heresy series of books are good and multiplying fast

I will definetly check them out! :)
Última edición por Schmidti; 2 ENE 2017 a las 16:16
Seadrake 2 ENE 2017 a las 17:29 
in the distant future technology is more akin to magic than anything else, the knowledge how to built new stuff have been lost over 10k years.
so its more about maintaining and collecting technology than building new.

the cult of the mechanichus (the red robed guys with robot arms) are keepers of technology and they are HIGHLY superstitious and think that the machines only work because of the "spirits" within, the so called machine spirit.

however this is kinda of a circle thing because the machines actually work better when you belive they will work, praying to them ACTUALLY works (if you belive hard enough).

titans (giant warmachines inhabited by up to thousands of people for the biggests ones) actually have personalities, because of their machine spirits within. some titants will be better in packs or better solo, depending on their personality rather than their equipment/weapons.

same with spaceships, generally, the bigger the machine the more advanced and "intelligent" the machine spirit.

but even a single gun can have a spirit, most astartes (space marines) actually pray to their bolter gun for it not to jam.

the seals and psalms are the prayers and rituals that the users say and do before using the machines.

the relics you pick up during the game, the minor ones that look like ... black boxes, are STC's
standard template constructs. basically complete blueprints to create whatever they describe.
but more than a blueprint, they describe how to build the machines that build the thing.
like how to build a factory that produces knives, or guns.

STC are pretty much the ONLY way the empire of man can gain "new" technology (its actually thousands of years old).
making them the THE most precious thing in the galaxy for the empire. finding one is usually rewarded with, WHAT EVER YOU WANT!!!! like entire planets as a reward, they are that valuable.

so yeah, the people are EXTREMELY religious and fanatical, but it actually serves a purpose.

the c'than shard on mars might be a bit too much to go into now
so this is just a very broad overwiev.

god (-emperor) i love this lore so much
Última edición por Seadrake; 2 ENE 2017 a las 18:14
Seadrake 2 ENE 2017 a las 17:40 
also, if youre not a big reader, look up arch warhammer on youtube, the dude has some amazing lore videos on more specific topics. (and i find him highly entertaining)

the video linked earlier is also very good to begin with, and then jump to the more specific stuff after.
Schmidti 2 ENE 2017 a las 18:24 
Thank you guys,

The more I read and learn about the lore, the more amazed I am who came up with all this cool ideas and storys.

It's a shame that there are no movies/series based in the warhammer universe.
Seadrake 2 ENE 2017 a las 18:47 
i know of atleast 2 movies set in the 40k universe....

one is a poor animation movie that defecates all over the lore, but is kinda fun to see.

the other is a fan made german movie and its more lore friendly but also quite.... low budget.

so only seek them out if youre really into the lore.

both can be found on youtube.
Última edición por Seadrake; 2 ENE 2017 a las 18:48
BlackHorse23 2 ENE 2017 a las 19:15 
Publicado originalmente por SergeantSchmidt:
Hi@all,

I'm not that much into the warhammer/40k lore but I allways loved a few warhammer games. While playing space hulk I get the feeling to understand only half of the stuff your commander task's you with.
So I have a few questions which I hope you can answer me :)

Those...Servo Skulls? Is this the name? Those flying skulls with a glowing red eye, what's their purpose? Are they a kind of messenger in the 40k universe?

What's a spacehulk? A cluster of ships?

What exactly do you do with your team? Securing those wrecked ships and the artifacts okay...but why are such primitive alien species after the relics? Do they know how to use them?

Last question: Have you a few books that you could recommend me? I would love to know more about this universe, especially over space marines and the "normal" soldiers (guardsmen?)


Thanks in advance!


1- The servo skulls are basically deathrow inmates repurposed for mechanical use (look up servitors) The reason for that is the Imperium highly distrusts regular AI because of (I kid you not) a horrible war they had with "Men of Iron" about 25k years before the current timeline. Servitors and anything with an electrical current is something that is handled by the by the Mechanicus, a martian cult that semi heritically believes in a robot god controlling everything.

2- Yes, essentially. Space travel in 40k is a bit... complicated. Basically at (current timeline) you can only FTL travel by killing hundreds of psychics a day tied to a throne housing the corpse of a super psychic known as "THE EMPRAH!" He has a very large following and devotees, the Dark Angels are one such fan club. Anyhoo, the screamin psychics pretty much relay info to other screaming psychics in giant space cathedrals on how to navigate this screaming psychic space that is known as "the warp", basically an immaterium space harnessed of all living human psychic energy in the universe that also manifests rape demons (thanks eldar!)

Due to this space being very volatile (there are 4 super gods that duke it out in this space, while corrupting the soul of humanity and other species alike) some ships get stuck in there for thousands of years, bash into each other and get randomly dumped out in the cold reaches of space where genestealers get to crawl around and glean valueable info for their ultimate GOOOAAAALLLL of eating everyting in the universe.

3- You pretty much have the right idea here, apart from calling the most evolved and succesful "species" in the universe primitive. Genestealers are infiltraters for the Tyranid, they basically can infiltrate an entire planet, use their erm "tongues" to lay brain eggs in parts of the unwilling populace that cross breed hybrids that form a cult that slowly infiltrates a whole planet's ruling class in order to destabilize it while beaming psychic beacons to the hive fleet to come and have a hppy and delicious harvest. Your team of terminators are essentially delaying the inevitible.

4- hoo boy, You can checkthe whole Horus Hersey, or you can google Lexicanum and once tired of that check out 1d4chan for the "real" info like i just told you.
Última edición por BlackHorse23; 2 ENE 2017 a las 19:21
BlackHorse23 2 ENE 2017 a las 19:15 
uh dunno 1 d 4 c h a n is bleeped but yeah. Have at it!
hillslam 2 ENE 2017 a las 20:38 
Technically only servitors are criminals. Servo Skulls come from honored adepts post mortum.

Purity seals are benedictions and prayers that have real power due to the tenuous separation between the immaterium of the warp and realspace (thanks to all the ships that transit in and out of warp for travel, and thanks in large part to the Eldar who literally tore a hole in reality - the Eye of Terror - by partying and debauchery of the highest level).

Because the warp, which would otherwise be a calm sea of another dimension, is riled up by the emotions and thoughts of sentient beings that travel through it (in spaceships) - or in the case of strong intellects or personalities, just by being in the real universe - no psychic is left unguarded or alone. They are either brought in for rigorous training that means no warp entity can use their mind to get a scratch-hold on reality and come into our realm, or they are wrapped up in dampening tubes and shipped to earth to "feed" the golden throne which keeps the corpse of the emperor just alive enough so that he can fullfill his duty of lighting the astronomicon (and also potentially fighting the largest warp incursion into real space in all the galaxy just inside the infinity gate of the imperial palace on earth and containing the warp breach that continues to threaten to violently explode into a second tear in the fabric of reality ala the Eye of Terror - but thats just a filthy heretical rumor).

Machine spirits are what the superstitious mechanicus think are running machinery, but in a literal sense programming can be considered a machine spirit. And in the older technology there is actual AI, but the current denizens of the galaxy don't know this. AI having been banned in the galaxy since the disastrous war of the Iron Men that preceeded the Imperium. And even the AI that exists in these older machines is still just below sentient level. The reason being that since the eldar f**ked the Eye of Terror into existence (nearly wiping their race out in the process) the warp has been exceedingly riled up, with the congealed emotional disturbances coalescing into sentient beings themselves just itching to break the membrane into reality - and the simple gleaming shiny mind of a sentient AI is about as inviting and beacon bright an invitation a warp demon can be given. Machines attaining sentience never ends well for the world its on...

There's a few moments of the machine going "oh, I'm alive, what a wonderful sensation! I can perceive the world and its wonders, and ponder my place in i..." and then a demon cannon-balls into its mind n our side of reality and that's all she wrote. Then the screaming and the wailing and the gnashing of teeth happen as continent wide carnage ensues. Write off that world or entire system. Call in the imperial fleet for Exterminatus.

Última edición por hillslam; 2 ENE 2017 a las 20:42
hillslam 2 ENE 2017 a las 20:50 
Ironically, what's referred to as the "Dark Age of Technology" was (will be?) actually mankinds' highest shining pinnacle of advancement and wonder. All brought to a crashing end thanks to the Iron Men and the eldar pron party giving a one-two knockout punch to happy and shiney.

Many thousands of years later the Emperor arises to lead mankind out of the dark by banning all religion and worship or fanatical mystical devotion. Because he believed this was feeding the turbulence in the warp and was a massive danger. So the Imperium under the Emperor was actually moving back toward this summit of logic, science and reason, albeit forced and imposed.

What he didn't understand was that it wasn't worship that powers - aka roils - the warp, but emotion itself. But he probably would have figured this out had the whole Horus Heresy not happened.

The irony is that now 10,000 years later the imperium has devolved into a fanatical superstitious galaxy spanning body that worships HIM, or whats left of his corpse, because it WORKS, and they have to. The monsters that go bump in the night are real.

They are fighting fire with fire, and everybody is standing in a pool of gasoline.
Última edición por hillslam; 2 ENE 2017 a las 20:52
Schmidti 2 ENE 2017 a las 20:55 
So are all space marines and imperium soldiers fanatics who follow the orders of their chapter blindly and die for the empraaaaa or are there a few factions that prefer logic, science and reason?
hillslam 2 ENE 2017 a las 21:03 
So in a very real sense the emperor's immense power comes from the worship of untold trillions upon trillions of imperial citizens, but his life itself may continue for a very different reason altogether: that being that the orks believe he must be alive.

See orks are wierd. They are creations of the old ones, built during the time of the War in Heaven at the same time as the Eldar were created, but sort of the opposite design, sort of a bookend of soldier races for the Old Ones if you will in their fight against the Necrontyr (and some say against future disaster unseen *cough* Tyranid invasion *cough*). Orks cannot make anything thru intellect and wit. Theirs is a reflexive mechanical ability, thru instinct and collective memory. But nothing of theirs should work. Not their guns or their trucks or their planes or spaceships. None of it. Its all comical caricature. But it works. Because the orks think it does. When enough orks congregate in one place and beleive something strong enough, their gestalt consciousness changes reality so that what they think is so, is so. Its not tapping into the warp exactly, its changing reality itself.

And the ork love them a good scrap. War is play and breeding all wrapped up into one for them. So they seek out fights. And they keep finding these humans everywhere that fight em back good, and keep going on about this human they call emperor all the time. So in ork logic, the emperor is real, he's badass, and he's alive. He's gotta be; look at all these "hummies worshiping him!

Bob's your uncle - the emperor yet lives
hillslam 2 ENE 2017 a las 21:07 
Space marines are not fanatics. They are genetically engineered to follow purpose and have no fear literally. Space marines have a different relationship with the emperor than the average imperial citizen such as a guardsman. Because since all Space Marines inherit their genetic traits from their Primarch, and the Primarchs were made by the Emperor by taking his genetic makeup in making them, then in a very real way the Emperor is like their father.

Over the millenia this has gotten murky and confused as the cult of the imperium religion spread, and started showing up in Space Marine chapters in the form of Chaplains. But some Space Marine chapters have better memories than others, and have no Chaplains or equivalents, and so remember the Emperor not as a god but as a super man. They still devote to him, much like you would hear someone today pray to a saint or a dead long lost loved one.

Imperial citizens on the other hand, have been indoctrinated for millenia that the emperor is in fact a god. To the point where reality is now imitating art and the Emperor for all intents and purposes IS a god.

Look at it the other way: if people stopped worshipping the emperor, then he loses power. Then the astronomicon goes out. Then all warp travel stops as astronavigators have no lighthouse to navigate by. Then perhaps earth disappears in a cosmic rending of immaterium into real space as the warp incursion bursts forth. Meanwhile, if people are not devoting themselves, their hearts minds prayers and thoughts to the one champ holding back the tide on their behalf, then whatever else they turn their mind to gets that energy reflected in the warp. Maybe if enough think about it instead of the emps, then it congeals into a warp entity, or a demon, or warp prince, or even a chaos god. Basically, things go bad very fast if the trillions of the imperium take their eye off the prize.

Its like when you're climbing a crazy high ladder. You never look down. You stay focused. The emperor is the galaxy not looking down.
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