The Ending (SPOILERS)

[FNL2]

Uhh, what exactly happened in the end? Why didn't Coffe just give Sample 217 to Bio-Beta so he could clone it. At least that way there would still e hope for man-kind. Why put her mind in a computer for last few minutes of her life when you could RECREATE THE HUMAN RACE. WHY COFFE. WHY MUST YOU SECRETLY BE THE MAIN ANTAGONIST.

[KITTYCATKON]

coffee is stupid

[SuperDean]

hmm i never thought of it like that. well he did pull a game ai to help him

[RippoMadness]

While Bio-Beta is capable of cloning Sample 217, the problem is that Bio-Beta cannot recreate sentience, intelligience, or consiousness of any kind within his creations, so recreating the human race is really out of the question. And the reason why Coffee did what he did was because of what Bio-Beta was doing to Sample 217 in the first place: harvesting her DNA for his endless experiments to create his "advanced human race", causing the sample to slowly die away from his constant harvesting. Coffee's intentions by stealing the sample was to create a simulation where Sample 217 could live out a childhood, giving the embryo a chance at life she never had, which is what he did at the very end using the last of the station's power to give both him and Sample 217 a chance to live a childhood for the next seven years. Coffee nor Bio-Beta never intended on saving the human race. (BTW if I came off as harsh, I apologize, just explaining some things)

[FNL2]

RippoMadness, I think I get it now, thanks for your comment.

[RippoMadness]

Originally posted by Henry:

RippoMadness, I think I get it now, thanks for your comment.

No problem.

[SuperDean]

rippo your wrong he said it was missing and he never got sample 217.

[RippoMadness]

Originally posted by SuperDean:

rippo your wrong he said it was missing and he never got sample 217.

Sample 217 was missing because, as I said, Coffee stole it, he hid it in Amos' room. And while it's true Bio-Beta never got Sample 217, meaning he wasn't harvesting the embryo's cells (my mistake), the game does say that the sample was harvested from, it just not clarified who harvested it. The reason why Coffee hid Sample 217 was because while the sample was close to dying, it was still alive:

"It had already been harvested for cells many times and was beyond repair, but somehow was still alive."

Coffee developed sympathy over Sample 217 and hid it away, most likely fearing for what would have happened if Bio-Beta got his hands on it. So, going back to the original argument, the real problem that the game presents is not whether or not the human race can be revived, it's the morality of giving a life a chance at life. (again, sorry if I sound harsh, just explaining my reasoning)

[SuperDean]

i dont realy think Coffee developed sympathy. as you remember coffees main objective was to server humans and i guess he thinks the embryo was still human enof to protect

[RippoMadness]

Originally posted by SuperDean:

i dont realy think Coffee developed sympathy. as you remember coffees main objective was to server humans and i guess he thinks the embryo was still human enof to protect

But even with that put into consideration, that doesn't mean Coffee didn't develop any kind of feelings for the embryo. After all, he did come off as very emotional when talking about Sample 217 with D-Co 9.

"I started taking bits and pieces of the other simlations to build my own... for her, so she could have a childhood."

I wouldn't say those are the words of a robot simply doing what it's programmed to do, those are the emotionally-driven words of a what a parent would say for their child. Plus, there's the ending with both the final message and the image of both Coffe and Sample 217 on top of a hill in the Theta Simulation (The simulation Coffee made) watching the sunset enjoying eachothers' company, both of which show Coffee's compassion for Sample 217, even though he is a robot.

[FNL2]

Originally posted by RippoMadness:

Coffee nor Bio-Beta never intended on saving the human race. (BTW if I came off as harsh, I apologize, just explaining some things)

Yes, neither had intentions of saving humans, but Bio Beta wanted to recreate them. In Bio-Beta's simulation, either he or the robot things (I forgot who) said that he had figured out a way to reconstruct humans after earlier Sample 217 experiments, but not there brains, that's why he needed Sample 217. He would only have one chance at human recreation, so what? If you had the option to either destroy one human for the safety of ALL THE OTHERS ON EARTH, or let that human live, but all others get killed, what would you do? It just depends on what kind of person you are.

[Specter Knight]

So from what I understand, Embryo's mind is trapped inside Coffee's Matrix?

[FNL2]

Yep.

[RippoMadness]

Originally posted by The Strangerous:

So from what I understand, Embryo's mind is trapped inside Coffee's Matrix?

In a sense, yes.

[SonicCreeper21]

Originally posted by RippoMadness:

Originally posted by SuperDean:

i dont realy think Coffee developed sympathy. as you remember coffees main objective was to server humans and i guess he thinks the embryo was still human enof to protect

But even with that put into consideration, that doesn't mean Coffee didn't develop any kind of feelings for the embryo. After all, he did come off as very emotional when talking about Sample 217 with D-Co 9.

"I started taking bits and pieces of the other simlations to build my own... for her, so she could have a childhood."

I wouldn't say those are the words of a robot simply doing what it's programmed to do, those are the emotionally-driven words of a what a parent would say for their child. Plus, there's the ending with both the final message and the image of both Coffe and Sample 217 on top of a hill in the Theta Simulation (The simulation Coffee made) watching the sunset enjoying eachothers' company, both of which show Coffee's compassion for Sample 217, even though he is a robot.

Theta Simulation was originally made by Amos but he didn't have time to put it into action as he died.

[lizzie.dripping]

Originally posted by TheCyberSleuth:

Uhh, what exactly happened in the end? Why didn't Coffe just give Sample 217 to Bio-Beta so he could clone it. At least that way there would still e hope for man-kind. Why put her mind in a computer for last few minutes of her life when you could RECREATE THE HUMAN RACE. WHY COFFE. WHY MUST YOU SECRETLY BE THE MAIN ANTAGONIST.

The station had only days left before it ran out of power. Plus, even if Bio-Beta did get the Embryo and somehow, SOMEHOW, managed to create a human, it would have died very quickly, as 1.there is most likely no oxygen, seeing as they are in space, and 2. no food or water, just coffee.