Which Close combat game is the best?

[MystiQ]

Hello i was just wondering what close combat game you guys think is the best and please explain why :p

[Shad]

Kanovskiy の投稿を引用：

Out of the box, definetly CC2: A bridge too far

-Best manual
-Best gameplay
-Best Videos (only videos I don't skip)
-One of the best battle makers (single battle editor) of the series (CCMT may be the best)
-Best AI and don't give me that bs that it was the small maps, it was not it! Something else happened that turned the AI into a dull opponent. CC3, CC4 and CC5 all have small maps and the AI just crawls and crawls around, in CC2 they came running for you! or even ambushed you!

What about the LSA? Supposedly a bridge too far remake. Does it have a similar AI?

[Dominos Pizzarrhea]

My family's first computer (some Windows Millennium POS from Gateway) came with CC3. Grew up playing that, so it kind of wins by default. Tried playing a couple the others, but CC3 was always my favorite.

[Kanovskiy]

Shad の投稿を引用：

What about the LSA? Supposedly a bridge too far remake. Does it have a similar AI?

I don't own it but I don't think LSA has the same AI as CC2 since it is from the same batch of WaR/TLD.

LSA is a Remake in the sense that is the same setting as CC2, but it draws from TLD/WaR who at the same time draw from CC5. It does have a point system and blowable bridges and you can stack 2 Battlegroups on one map so there's that. I wanted to get it to play the GJS mod in there but it is still to pricey.

No CC2 is on a class on itself, surely the years have not been kind to it as the graphics look outdated but still with its own charm, like an old cartoon, and is missing some vital improvements, most important the scavenging code to pick up weapons from the dead. But if you play it today you will notice how different the AI is, it tries to actively kill you and retreat when they have no chance but stand their ground where they must. Sure after a while you pick up the way it thinks and the best spots on the maps for the most appropiate units but it is still a satisfaction to hold Arhnem against the ruthless AI.

I do have The Longest Day, and can say that the AI is improved somewhat from CC5. CC5/4 have about the worst AI for solo play, though some mods do turn it up to 11, namely VetBoB for CC4.

[TokyoDan]

Shad の投稿を引用：

Kanovskiy の投稿を引用：

Out of the box, definetly CC2: A bridge too far

-Best manual
-Best gameplay
-Best Videos (only videos I don't skip)
-One of the best battle makers (single battle editor) of the series (CCMT may be the best)
-Best AI and don't give me that bs that it was the small maps, it was not it! Something else happened that turned the AI into a dull opponent. CC3, CC4 and CC5 all have small maps and the AI just crawls and crawls around, in CC2 they came running for you! or even ambushed you!

What about the LSA? Supposedly a bridge too far remake. Does it have a similar AI?

What is LSA?

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tokyodan の投稿を引用：

What is LSA?

http://www.matrixgames.com/products/386/details/Close.Combat.-.Last.Stand.Arnhem

[rdwngsfn81]

A Bridge Too Far was the best... And it's available on GOG.com now!

[76561188078797539]

For me it was the Russian Front. It was pretty neat being able to build up your forces over the course of the war.

[Rattlesnake8]

CC5: Invasion Normandy
CC3: The Russian Front
CC: Gateway to Caen.
I really enjoy these three the most and highly recommend them all.

[Kegbelly]

Abridge to far without doubt , still looks prettier than this and better UI , shame it crashes so often now , even the gog version

[Pancakes]

CC3 or CC5. Avoid the remakes.

They've got the best versions of either linear campaigns or campaign maps. Best range of mods available and they don't have the crap changes to soldier AI from the remakes.

[TokyoDan]

Pancakes の投稿を引用：

CC3 or CC5. Avoid the remakes.

They've got the best versions of either linear campaigns or campaign maps. Best range of mods available and they don't have the crap changes to soldier AI from the remakes.

Why avoid the remakes?

[Pancakes]

tokyodan の投稿を引用：

Pancakes の投稿を引用：

CC3 or CC5. Avoid the remakes.

They've got the best versions of either linear campaigns or campaign maps. Best range of mods available and they don't have the crap changes to soldier AI from the remakes.

Why avoid the remakes?

The soldier AI was tweaked to the point they became known to quite a few as the "Girly AI" changes: where if a soldier received incoming fire - just one shot, even from extreme range they would dive to the ground, cancel their order and crawl around until they were *reordered* to carry out what they were asked to do. If they were to receive heavy fire, then rather than run for cover/return fire they'd just crawl around until they were all killed. You would need to constantly reissue orders to them, when as soon as they received more fire they'd cancel out and need the order issued again and again.

AT guns became more indecisive, tanks would ♥♥♥♥ around more turning their hulls and turrets and they'd more frequently break contact with a target if vision was slightly obscured [dark green target line]. The remakes are if you really, really like reissuing orders or can't get the originals to work [the gog versions ought to take care of that].

They also removed the rocket halftracks and 120mm mortars in Cross of Iron, which is just ♥♥♥♥.

[Jebako]

Currenty playing CC4 and I really like it. Recently I started and finished reading a book by anthony beevor "ardennes 1944 - hitlers last gamble" and it got me so hooked on the battle of the bulge so I had to buy CC4 :D
But still I think that A Bridge Too Far is the best

[Tank_Hunter]

Got to choose between:

Gateway to Caen
Panthers in the Fog
Last Stand Arnhem

wich one guys?

i'm looking for a CC game that has a nice selction of units to use, and features both attack or defense on both axis and allies sides.

thank you!

[Buddusky]

Years ago I'd played Invasion Normandy which was my introduction to the whole serie and had a lot of fun via LAN playing, but didn't try others and in the serie cause of the age factor, etc.

While I personally don't have much hope for the upcoming 'The Bloody First', these days I'd like to play a CC game with my friend so in that case which of the game in the series would worth the best with that in mind? (Like I can renounce from either of the games that lack AI, f.i.)

Thanks for your attention!