Why I cherish the Guild Wars Original Trilogy story and hate Garbage Waste 2's.

[Naomi Detox]

It's hard to explain it without giving the Guild Wars Original Trilogy its own standing ovation.

The Guild Wars Original trilogy themes are about mistakes of the past still casting a shadow on the present and future, the downfall of uncontrolled emotions like uncontrolled arrogance and fear, the battle to conquer not just that which is without but also that which is within, and also the struggle to maintain one's humanity. Such the struggles are the humans dealing with the aftermath of the three wars known as the historical event the guild wars, of which the battle with the imprisoned god like human mage Abaddon is a consequence.

And while they stop Abaddon from escaping his prison made by the other humans like him due to his violent protest against them limiting the magic of the lesser humans, such as preventing him from conquering Tyria and ruling humanity as he believes it's right.

Humanity is still divided; the other races are even more on their throats. After the war with Abaddon, things are even worse for the humans, and now Arachnia, who was once imprisoned by Abaddon, is free, and now she and the other demonic nightmare gods with animal-like minds are coming for Tyria due to their unending hunger for energy.

And how can the humans defeat the demonic nightmare gods and their minions? When they themselves are born from and draw power from the chaotic energy of the dream like mist like the demonic creatures their fighting, and such can succumb to their fears and urges and be twisted into joining the demonic ranks.

The sword and sorcery/science fantasy universe of the Guild Wars Original Trilogy give it that extra spice because even though there is magic and fantastical stuff, they still live in a down-to-earth world with the same problems and limitations as us.

Because they still struggle with age, hunger, the elements, sickness, and disease like us; they have to travel long distances with the same methods as in the real world, and they can't lift a five-foot weapon without braking every bone in their body, the stakes are not only higher but also even easier to empathize with the characters.

(Sadly, they completely threw away all of that after the Nightfall expansion, as the original writers left the studio in protest and Mythic UnEntertainment replaced it with a generic anime universe that is only about defeating the big bad of whatever the current saga is. So, that story will never be completed.)

https://youtu.be/x74tcjSNfLc?si=Y88HqjqjlAagk4c3

These days, if they even add a theme, it will never be of that caliber.

Mostly because Mythic UnEntertainment believes that it's two heavy or even two aggressive for the majority of people.

As the idea is that if the world isn't anime kawaii make believe land (a.k.a. hell) or the characters have bad sides, have made heavy mistakes, or, god forbid, have major flaws in their character, they might ruffle the majority of people's feathers and lose them, and they won't spend their money on the game.

And the idea of you playing someone who has a destructive nature or even being able, for example, to play as a justice-driven character who sides with the rich guy is seen as taboo.

So, the Guild Wars Original Trilogy isn't just a gem but also precious relic from a time of unfettered creativity.

[[RvB] RedArmyGrif]

I see multiple mistakes here.

1: the Guild Wars started after Abaddon was already imprisoned.
https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Exodus_of_the_Gods
https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/First_Guild_War

2: Arachnia was never canon and was only learned of through digging through GW.dat.

3: imo Shiro being connected to Abaddon was a massive retcon and spoiled his character. He would have been far more interesting as a rogue element that made his mark on his own. (can you tell that Shiro is my fave of the trilogy villains?)

4: "And how can the humans defeat the demonic nightmare gods and their minions?" Pretty damn easily considering Abaddon is the easiest final boss fight in the trilogy. You literally used to be able to wipe the floor with him using damage reflect. so much for a "demonic nightmare god".

5: "the idea of you playing someone who has a destructive nature or even being able, for example, to play as a justice-driven character who sides with the rich guy is seen as taboo." You can't do this in GW1 either??? What are you even on about.

Final grade: F (see me after class!)

[Naomi Detox]

Originally posted by RvB RedArmyGrif:

I see multiple mistakes here.

1: the Guild Wars started after Abaddon was already imprisoned.
https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Exodus_of_the_Gods
https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/First_Guild_War

2: Arachnia was never canon and was only learned of through digging through GW.dat.

3: imo Shiro being connected to Abaddon was a massive retcon and spoiled his character. He would have been far more interesting as a rogue element that made his mark on his own. (can you tell that Shiro is my fave of the trilogy villains?)

4: "And how can the humans defeat the demonic nightmare gods and their minions?" Pretty damn easily considering Abaddon is the easiest final boss fight in the trilogy. You literally used to be able to wipe the floor with him using damage reflect. so much for a "demonic nightmare god".

5: "the idea of you playing someone who has a destructive nature or even being able, for example, to play as a justice-driven character who sides with the rich guy is seen as taboo." You can't do this in GW1 either??? What are you even on about.

Final grade: F (see me after class!)

I have a whole posts with evidence to my claims.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/29720/discussions/0/3883849064695675177/?ctp=3
Also , thanks for reading both the wiki and my post wrong , because Abaddon starts the war with the other gods after the magic is taken from the humans because of the first guild wars( you know the in lore war not game.)
Also , i never said anything about shiro.
the video is music from guild wars original only.
Read better , stalker.
If you think you can't you clearly haven't played nightfall.
Abaddon is a god of nightmare but a human that became god like.
Also, she is not only mentioned in the internal data.
Final grade: F- ( see me with your parents.)

[[RvB] RedArmyGrif]

Originally posted by Naomi Detox:

Originally posted by RvB RedArmyGrif:

I see multiple mistakes here.

1: the Guild Wars started after Abaddon was already imprisoned.
https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Exodus_of_the_Gods
https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/First_Guild_War

2: Arachnia was never canon and was only learned of through digging through GW.dat.

3: imo Shiro being connected to Abaddon was a massive retcon and spoiled his character. He would have been far more interesting as a rogue element that made his mark on his own. (can you tell that Shiro is my fave of the trilogy villains?)

4: "And how can the humans defeat the demonic nightmare gods and their minions?" Pretty damn easily considering Abaddon is the easiest final boss fight in the trilogy. You literally used to be able to wipe the floor with him using damage reflect. so much for a "demonic nightmare god".

5: "the idea of you playing someone who has a destructive nature or even being able, for example, to play as a justice-driven character who sides with the rich guy is seen as taboo." You can't do this in GW1 either??? What are you even on about.

Final grade: F (see me after class!)

I have a whole posts with evidence to my claims.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/29720/discussions/0/3883849064695675177/?ctp=3
Also , thanks for reading both the wiki and my post wrong , because Abaddon starts the war with the other gods after the magic is taken from the humans because of the first guild wars( you know the in lore war not game.)
Also , i never said anything about shiro.
the video is music from guild wars original only.
Read better , stalker.
If you think you can't you clearly haven't played nightfall.
Abaddon is a god of nightmare but a human that became god like.
Also, she is not only mentioned in the internal data.
Final grade: F- ( see me with your parents.)

1: Once again, the first Guild War (yes, the actual in-lore war) takes place centuries AFTER Abaddon's inprisonment. YOU read MY post wrong.

2: I brought up Shiro because GW1 retcons as easily as GW2 does.

3: I never mentioned a video at all.

4: Stop posting in a forum that people can subscribe to if you don't want to be "stalked".

5: Still can't play as someone other than a goody-two-shoes. Closest you get is in Winds of Change but that's not part of the Trilogy and also WoC sucks lmao

6: Abaddon is still the easiest bossfight in the Trilogy.

7: "Arachnia is the name given by location descriptions in the gw.dat to a dead spider god, one of a number of gods of insectoid beings older than Abaddon and the Five True Gods themselves. These descriptions were never intentionally released to players, however, and so cannot be considered fully canon." From the Apostate's wiki page.
"Now, we all know that there is no in game direct reference to Arachnia, and that Arachnia, an ancient, now-dead spider-god, is only truly found in the .dat file." from Guild Wars Legacy's archives.

Arachnia. is. not. canon. Stop trying to make your fanfiction happen.

Final grade: F---- (media literacy is a dead art)

[Naomi Detox]

Originally posted by RvB RedArmyGrif:

Originally posted by Naomi Detox:

I have a whole posts with evidence to my claims.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/29720/discussions/0/3883849064695675177/?ctp=3
Also , thanks for reading both the wiki and my post wrong , because Abaddon starts the war with the other gods after the magic is taken from the humans because of the first guild wars( you know the in lore war not game.)
Also , i never said anything about shiro.
the video is music from guild wars original only.
Read better , stalker.
If you think you can't you clearly haven't played nightfall.
Abaddon is a god of nightmare but a human that became god like.
Also, she is not only mentioned in the internal data.
Final grade: F- ( see me with your parents.)

1: Once again, the first Guild War (yes, the actual in-lore war) takes place centuries AFTER Abaddon's inprisonment. YOU read MY post wrong.

2: I brought up Shiro because GW1 retcons as easily as GW2 does.

3: I never mentioned a video at all.

4: Stop posting in a forum that people can subscribe to if you don't want to be "stalked".

5: Still can't play as someone other than a goody-two-shoes. Closest you get is in Winds of Change but that's not part of the Trilogy and also WoC sucks lmao

6: Abaddon is still the easiest bossfight in the Trilogy.

7: "Arachnia is the name given by location descriptions in the gw.dat to a dead spider god, one of a number of gods of insectoid beings older than Abaddon and the Five True Gods themselves. These descriptions were never intentionally released to players, however, and so cannot be considered fully canon." From the Apostate's wiki page.
"Now, we all know that there is no in game direct reference to Arachnia, and that Arachnia, an ancient, now-dead spider-god, is only truly found in the .dat file." from Guild Wars Legacy's archives.

Arachnia. is. not. canon. Stop trying to make your fanfiction happen.

Final grade: F---- (media literacy is a dead art)

1. you're just wrong. Abaddon is improvement not inprisonment

because he fights the other gods

because they took the magic away from the humans

because the human guild fought each other in a destructive war.

2. Abaddon having tricked shiro isn't a retcon but a addition.
the fortune teller turns out to be a demon working for Abaddon.

3. But you clearly got the idea from the video image.

4. see number 3.

5. stalking is bannable by steam and could get you into trouble with the police.

6. What does it matter how hard he is in game to the story?

7. https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_Apostate

Final grade : U (Temporary suspension)

[Stormstriker]

I felt 2 was too far must team up to do anything really. Which was a very different than the first game.