Speed Limits Question

[velogoo]

I'm a fairly casual TSW player but I do like to have as authentic and realistic an experience as possible (e.g. route learning and playing without HUD) - my question relates to speed limit markings.
So I've recently got the Manchester-Glossop/Hadfield DLC and for example when leaving Glossop station the limit is 10mph, but once out of the station this increases. although there is no sign to say it is increasing. I was a bit surprised at this, and thought it might be an omission in game but I did find online a real drivers eye view of this route, and the lack of a new increased speed limit sign does appear to be true to life.
So in real life, do drivers just have to have the route knowledge that a speed limit is increasing, even though it may not be marked? Or am I missing seeing something?
I assume reductions in speed limits will always be marked with a sign (and potentially some kind of prior warning either an AWS buzzer in the cab or another sign prior to the actual reduction).
Hope this makes sense and thanks for any insights that will help me.

[GenX-Gamore]

Use the track monitor top right of the hud. Here is a simple key-binding guide if you will
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3386712017
But yes the engineer/train driver does get to know the routes they drive, plus all the track-side signage and the signal lights that indicate speed and what it should be.
You can check out this channel, he does pretty good videos on German train signals and recently started with a few UK ones also
https://www.youtube.com/@tygerways6615

[dougsie]

I don't have the route (one of the few UK I don't have yet) but you are probably crossing points on the way tp the UP Main or Down Main.

Any driver on this route would have months of in-cab second man training learning all the points of interest, distances from station to station, line speeds, etc..

There is a very good video on youtube where a LNER driver drives the ECML on TSW 4 describing the real life trip vs the TSW trip. You can see it here on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPMmL7JrsPo

[velogoo]

thanks for those links, I will check them out.
this is the video I was talking about, watch briefly from 25:15, you see the 10pm sign then after about 15secs you see a 10mph sign facing the opposite way, but nothing in the direction of travel, then after another few seconds the driver accelerates.
https://youtu.be/9KokIdfs75g?si=Orz34nZ4WLSM253Y

[dougsie]

Originally posted by velogoo:

thanks for those links, I will check them out.
this is the video I was talking about, watch briefly from 25:15, you see the 10pm sign then after about 15secs you see a 10mph sign facing the opposite way, but nothing in the direction of travel, then after another few seconds the driver accelerates.
https://youtu.be/9KokIdfs75g?si=Orz34nZ4WLSM253Y

It is an up/down single track line into Glossop Station. Did you notice the 25/45 sign to the left of the track at 22:47? That is the line speed of the up/down line.

The 10mph local speed restriction is on each side of the overbridge, probably due to the structural condition of the bridge itself. Once the rear of the train is past the overbridge the train can accelerate back to line speed. Going into Glossop obviously you won't, as you will be pulling into the station.

Edit: the text below actually gives you his local knowledge when it is stated "10mph across the overbridge".

Edit 2: After reading you original question AWS is based on signal aspect type not speed as PZB/LZB in Europe. AWS Gives a signal for the block condition ahead of you, so you will be keeping speed relative to the train in front or, if required, stop. The actual speed warning comes from the inverted triangle at the left of the track indicating the line speed ahead. There is no audible for this neither will brakes be applied automatically (exception - over-speed crossing a TPWS grid).

[velogoo]

Originally posted by dougsie:

Originally posted by velogoo:

thanks for those links, I will check them out.
this is the video I was talking about, watch briefly from 25:15, you see the 10pm sign then after about 15secs you see a 10mph sign facing the opposite way, but nothing in the direction of travel, then after another few seconds the driver accelerates.
https://youtu.be/9KokIdfs75g?si=Orz34nZ4WLSM253Y

It is an up/down single track line into Glossop Station. Did you notice the 25/45 sign to the left of the track at 22:47? That is the line speed of the up/down line.

The 10mph local speed restriction is on each side of the overbridge, probably due to the structural condition of the bridge itself. Once the rear of the train is past the overbridge the train can accelerate back to line speed. Going into Glossop obviously you won't, as you will be pulling into the station.

Edit: the text below actually gives you his local knowledge when it is stated "10mph across the overbridge".

Ahh yes, makes sense, thankyou!