Mittenwaldbahn BR-111

[dunkelschaf]

Hi,

how do I open the doors at the Mittenwaldbahn BR-111 waggons. There is no button or lever in the cab or do I miss something? (Opening by menu is no option for me)

[Grumpy Englishman]

Originally posted by dunkelschaf:

Hi,

how do I open the doors at the Mittenwaldbahn BR-111 waggons. There is no button or lever in the cab or do I miss something? (Opening by menu is no option for me)

do the training for the train i sure it show u where it is.

[DriveByFM]

Press Y or U.

[dunkelschaf]

I don´t use keybindings, there has to be a lever for that on the loco but the texture is not loading I guess. On pictures of the original it´s on the right of the cab below the brake lever.

[Grumpy Englishman]

Originally posted by dunkelschaf:

I don´t use keybindings, there has to be a lever for that on the loco but the texture is not loading I guess. On pictures of the original it´s on the right of the cab below the brake lever.

Normal its highlights the button to with the right setting

[GenX-Gamore]

Originally posted by dunkelschaf:

Hi,

how do I open the doors at the Mittenwaldbahn BR-111 waggons. There is no button or lever in the cab or do I miss something? (Opening by menu is no option for me)

If you do the training scenario, you just learn with and without key bindings and some things in TSW require the use of key bindings only, this is why it's good to learn them.

[dunkelschaf]

As this is a simulator, back then in the days the train drivers opened the doors by keybindings on their logitech K-120 keybord. Didn´t know that by now.

Seriously though: Thanks fot the answers. Anyway the route is very nice.

[Testikles]

Originally posted by dunkelschaf:

As this is a simulator, back then in the days the train drivers opened the doors by keybindings on their logitech K-120 keybord. Didn´t know that by now.

Seriously though: Thanks fot the answers. Anyway the route is very nice.

Some of the older british trains also do not have central door controls, you have to get up and open them via a pannel in the passenger compartment, or (in the case of the Class 101) leave the train and open all doors from outside by hand (if you insist on not using keybinds). I guess back in the day there was a second person operating at the station or in the train who could take care of the doors this way (but neither am I old enough to know, nor am I from Britain).

[Rudolf Jan]

I think in these trains there was no central door lock. Passenges normally would open the doors themselves and the conductor would close them. If you cannot use a keyboard, there is a function I open with tab, but there is another way to use it with the controller. Theres you aslco can open and close doors.

Like every model of reality, TSW has simplifications or adaptaions for various reasons.

[Echo Kilo]

Originally posted by dunkelschaf:

Hi,

how do I open the doors at the Mittenwaldbahn BR-111 waggons. There is no button or lever in the cab or do I miss something? (Opening by menu is no option for me)

The door controls were removed from the BR111 that comes with Mittenwaldbahn as the loco did not have them back in that time period. It's mentioned in their February roadmap article.

The BR 111 was put back into its 90s state for this route, now coming in an Ocean-Blue & Cream livery. With exterior and cab model changes, as well as a control and physics changes:
・PZB90 removed and Indusi i60 added
・Door controls systems removed
・Modifications to the Air brake system to bring it closer to the prototype
・Remotored and modified power system to get performance more in line with the prototype
・New controller for the electric brake
・Corrected number of notches on brake valve
・New audio for converter, brake valve and some controls
・Electric brake function added when emergency braking is initiated (Hilfsschütz notbremse)
・Function of Schleudern and Gleiten indicator corrected
・Minor correction to the function of some of the switches like the train light switch

https://live.dovetailgames.com/live/train-sim-world/articles/article/train-sim-world-5-roadmap-february-2025

[GenX-Gamore]

Originally posted by dunkelschaf:

As this is a simulator, back then in the days the train drivers opened the doors by keybindings on their logitech K-120 keybord. Didn´t know that by now.

Seriously though: Thanks fot the answers. Anyway the route is very nice.

Yes, they ordered the Bloody B945 Keyboard so they can open and close doors, press the sifa button, use the throttle and brakes, and turn the wipers on and off. "Simulator" is debatable, but if we are going down this road they did not have a Razor mouse, nor Microsoft Trackball or a Logitech mouse either. 🤦‍♀️

[dougsie]

Originally posted by Testikles:

Some of the older british trains also do not have central door controls, you have to get up and open them via a pannel in the passenger compartment, or (in the case of the Class 101) leave the train and open all doors from outside by hand (if you insist on not using keybinds). I guess back in the day there was a second person operating at the station or in the train who could take care of the doors this way (but neither am I old enough to know, nor am I from Britain).

Back in the day is actually not long ago (my lifetime) where there were no automated systems, AI, calculators, computers or robotics (except in science fiction novels).

In the UK we had slam door carriages that could be opened while the train was moving and the backs of busses were open and often I jumped on (and off) a moving bus. Personal responsibility was the name of the game then, not health and safety diktats.

Every train had a conductor and there were 2 to 3 platform staff per platform at major stations. Even the smallest station had a station manager and a porter (the guy that helps with the luggage). Every bus had a conductor to take your money (cash - no cards or phones then)

This way of life started to die in the 1960's mainly because every western nation (except the US) had been bankrupted by the war and couldn't afford to keep employing people on this scale. so automation coupled with health and safety and productivity arrived with calculators in the seventies, advanced with computers in the eighties and had virtually got rid of everybody except drivers by the nineties. In the future they will all be gone as well as you move into the AI existence (I'm OK, I won't be around for that)

[dunkelschaf]

Originally posted by GenX-Gamore:

Originally posted by dunkelschaf:

As this is a simulator, back then in the days the train drivers opened the doors by keybindings on their logitech K-120 keybord. Didn´t know that by now.

Seriously though: Thanks fot the answers. Anyway the route is very nice.

Yes, they ordered the Bloody B945 Keyboard so they can open and close doors, press the sifa button, use the throttle and brakes, and turn the wipers on and off. "Simulator" is debatable, but if we are going down this road they did not have a Razor mouse, nor Microsoft Trackball or a Logitech mouse either. 🤦‍♀️

There are requirements for a simulator: Dirt on the train is not a requirement, visible passengers are not a requirement and clouds or changing weather is not a requirement. A realistic cab IS a requirement. A missing lever or a schedule not visible on the integrated displays is a no-go. This is more more common for an arcade game.

[Testikles]

Originally posted by dunkelschaf:

Originally posted by GenX-Gamore:

Yes, they ordered the Bloody B945 Keyboard so they can open and close doors, press the sifa button, use the throttle and brakes, and turn the wipers on and off. "Simulator" is debatable, but if we are going down this road they did not have a Razor mouse, nor Microsoft Trackball or a Logitech mouse either. 🤦‍♀️

There are requirements for a simulator: Dirt on the train is not a requirement, visible passengers are not a requirement and clouds or changing weather is not a requirement. A realistic cab IS a requirement. A missing lever or a schedule not visible on the integrated displays is a no-go. This is more more common for an arcade game.

You have been given an answer already by Echo Kilo. The 111 is in the state it was in the 90s here, without central door controls. As such, it is realistic, whether you like it or not. To quote again from the roadmap:

"The BR 111 was put back into its 90s state for this route, now coming in an Ocean-Blue & Cream livery. With exterior and cab model changes, as well as a control and physics changes:
・PZB90 removed and Indusi i60 added
・Door controls systems removed
- etc."

I agree with you on the display part though. It's a massive shame that they are not more than decoration in so many trains currently, especially regarding that the "ugly duckling" Zusi 3 has working displays / EBuLas since years already.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrHAPiQlhLc&t=227s&ab_channel=BerlinLetsPlay

[dougsie]

Originally posted by dunkelschaf:

There are requirements for a simulator: Dirt on the train is not a requirement, visible passengers are not a requirement and clouds or changing weather is not a requirement. A realistic cab IS a requirement. A missing lever or a schedule not visible on the integrated displays is a no-go. This is more more common for an arcade game.

Die Kabine ist realistisch. In dieser Zeit gab es keinen Hebel. Also drückt man entweder Y oder U oder spielt es nicht. Einfach.

The cabin is realistic. There was no lever in that era. So you either press Y or U or don't play. Simple.

[dunkelschaf]

Originally posted by Testikles:

You have been given an answer already by Echo Kilo. The 111 is in the state it was in the 90s here, without central door controls.

Sorry, you are right. But I have one question I didn´t find something about: How did they lock the doors back then to prevent them from being opened during the ride?