what gems do i use for a kill gem and mana farm gem? its a been a long time...

[Hammer96]

please forgive me, i havent played this game in a long time... if someome can remind me what gems to use for what ill be greatful.

[Drudo]

orange, black with a hint of red for mana
yellow, black with a hint of red for kill

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=434889753

[Hammer96]

Originally posted by Drudo:

orange, black with a hint of red for mana
yellow, black with a hint of red for kill

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=434889753

thanks... the black gem, can that be changed with white gem also? what are the benefits of using a black gem over white gem?

[jonathan testicle]

Originally posted by Thomas Chappell:

Originally posted by Drudo:

orange, black with a hint of red for mana
yellow, black with a hint of red for kill

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=434889753

thanks... the black gem, can that be changed with white gem also? what are the benefits of using a black gem over white gem?

Black is arguably better when you get around WL 3000+, until then I recommend sticking to white.

[Hammer96]

Originally posted by am i dead yet:

Originally posted by Thomas Chappell:

thanks... the black gem, can that be changed with white gem also? what are the benefits of using a black gem over white gem?

Black is arguably better when you get around WL 3000+, until then I recommend sticking to white.

ah ok so once i reach wave level 3000 and onwards it is better to have black gems in mana gems and kill gems..

[Hammer96]

Originally posted by Drudo:

orange, black with a hint of red for mana
yellow, black with a hint of red for kill

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=434889753

wait but i thought i had 1 blue gem in it..
like this:

for kill gem
2 crit gems, 2 white gems/black gem, 1 red and 1 blue

mana gem
2x orange, 2 x white, 1 red and 1 blue

or am i wrong

[jonathan testicle]

Originally posted by Thomas Chappell:

Originally posted by Drudo:

orange, black with a hint of red for mana
yellow, black with a hint of red for kill

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=434889753

wait but i thought i had 1 blue gem in it..
like this:

for kill gem
2 crit gems, 2 white gems/black gem, 1 red and 1 blue

mana gem
2x orange, 2 x white, 1 red and 1 blue

or am i wrong

Blue should be in traps.

[Hammer96]

Originally posted by am i dead yet:

Originally posted by Thomas Chappell:

wait but i thought i had 1 blue gem in it..
like this:

for kill gem
2 crit gems, 2 white gems/black gem, 1 red and 1 blue

mana gem
2x orange, 2 x white, 1 red and 1 blue

or am i wrong

Blue should be in traps.

Ok so like this:


mana farm trap gem
orange, white, blue

mana farm trap amp gem
orange, white, red

kll gem trap gem
yellow, white, blue

kill gem trap amp gem
yellow, white, red



obviously the whites can be changed for black instead...

is this right?, please correct me if im wrong...

[jonathan testicle]

Yeah.

[Ivan247]

Originally posted by Thomas Chappell:

Originally posted by am i dead yet:

Blue should be in traps.

Ok so like this:

mana farm trap gem
orange, white, blue

mana farm trap amp gem
orange, white, red

kll gem trap gem
yellow, white, blue

kill gem trap amp gem
yellow, white, red

obviously the whites can be changed for black instead...

is this right?, please correct me if im wrong...

This doesn't work. It should be something like this:

slow gem just before mana/kill gem
blue, black, red

mana farm trap gem
orange, black, red

mana farm trap amp gem
orange

kll gem trap gem
yellow, black, red

kill gem trap amp gem
yellow

Replace black with white if necessary but never use both at the same time.

[Hammer96]

Originally posted by IvanYiu247:

Originally posted by Thomas Chappell:

Ok so like this:

mana farm trap gem
orange, white, blue

mana farm trap amp gem
orange, white, red

kll gem trap gem
yellow, white, blue

kill gem trap amp gem
yellow, white, red

obviously the whites can be changed for black instead...

is this right?, please correct me if im wrong...

This doesn't work. It should be something like this:

slow gem just before mana/kill gem
blue, black, red

mana farm trap gem
orange, black, red

mana farm trap amp gem
orange

kll gem trap gem
yellow, black, red

kill gem trap amp gem
yellow

Replace black with white if necessary but never use both at the same time. :orblet:

I beg my pardon i got it wrong:
i think its more like this...

****************************

SLOW GEM (placed just before mana/killgem)

slow gem (separate trap gem)
blue, white, red
from IvanYiu247 post

*****************************

MANA FARM

mana trap gem:
orange, white, blue
orange, white, red
(6 combined into 1 gem)

mana trap amp gem:
orange

****************************

KILL GEM

kill gem trap gem:
yellow, white, blue
yellow, white, red
(6 combined into 1 gem)

kill gem trap amp:
yellow

***************************
of course the white can be swapped for a black gem instead if needed.

am i right in saying that the mana gem
and kill gem both have 1 red gem and 1 blue gem?

[Ivan247]

Originally posted by Thomas Chappell:

*snip*

am i right in saying that the mana gem
and kill gem both have 1 red gem and 1 blue gem?

No, There is a Slow gem and then a Mana/Kill gem. They are 2 different gems. Never combine Blue(Slow) gems into your Mana/Kill gems.

EDIT: A picture speaks more than 1k words. Directly taken from the Extreme End Game Guide, this picture shows what I mean by "Separate Slow and Mana/Kill gem"

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/532892171300299600/DD9B92A2019F2AD1A03C487B2B0E90260CB91A6B/

You can see that we place a slow gem (blue + red + black) before the mana gem (orange + red + black) or the kill gem (yellow + red + black) so monsters are forced to walk through the slow gem before stepping on the mana/kill gems

EDIT2: Based on your table:

****************************

SLOW GEM (placed just before mana/killgem)

slow gem (separate trap gem)
blue, white, red

*****************************

MANA FARM

mana trap gem:
orange, white, red

mana trap amp gem:
orange

****************************

KILL GEM

kill gem trap gem:
yellow, white, red

kill gem trap amp:
yellow

***************************

[Hammer96]

Originally posted by IvanYiu247:

Originally posted by Thomas Chappell:

*snip*

am i right in saying that the mana gem
and kill gem both have 1 red gem and 1 blue gem?

No, There is a Slow gem and then a Mana/Kill gem. They are 2 different gems. Never combine Blue(Slow) gems into your Mana/Kill gems. :orblet:

EDIT: A picture speaks more than 1k words. Directly taken from the Extreme End Game Guide, this picture shows what I mean by "Separate Slow and Mana/Kill gem"

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/532892171300299600/DD9B92A2019F2AD1A03C487B2B0E90260CB91A6B/

You can see that we place a slow gem (blue + red + black) before the mana gem (orange + red + black) or the kill gem (yellow + red + black) so monsters are forced to walk through the slow gem before stepping on the mana/kill gems

EDIT2: Based on your table:

****************************

SLOW GEM (placed just before mana/killgem)

slow gem (separate trap gem)
blue, white, red

*****************************

MANA FARM

mana trap gem:
orange, white, red

mana trap amp gem:
orange

****************************

KILL GEM

kill gem trap gem:
yellow, white, red

kill gem trap amp:
yellow

***************************

I know the slow gem and mana/killgem are both separate.
but from what i remember i thought someone put 1 odd blue gem in
mana gem for some reason, like to strenghten it in terms of overall dmg etc.
i mean because 1 blue gem wouldnt make much difference when combined with 5 other gems
(6 gems combined, some duplicates), like toning a gem, formulation/equation/algorithm wise.

im positive i remember from last year someone combined all 6, including blue gem. i know what it does, i know its used for slowing (slow gem), but im also sure its combined in the
6 gems to make mana/ kill gem.

if however i have simply not remembered the order well enough and i do happen to be mistaken, then obviously theres another gem that im missing that i have forgot to take into account when combining the 6 gems into 1 gem (mana/killgem).

Also I did click on the link for the picture but it wouldnt load up for some reason :/

3rd edit
from what you are saying it should look like this instead:

****************************

SLOW GEM (placed just before mana/killgem)

slow gem (separate trap gem)
blue, white, red

*****************************

MANA FARM

mana trap gem:
orange, white, red
orange, white, red
(all 6 combined into 1 gem)

mana trap amp gem:
orange x 6

****************************

KILL GEM

kill gem trap gem:
yellow, white, red
yellow, white, red
(all 6 combined into 1 gem)

kill gem trap amp:
yellow x6

*************************** [/quote]
ps. I do know what a slow gem is, ive been using it since beginning of the game, lol.
and yes i do place a slow gem trap (with slow gem in it) just before the mana trap/kill gem trap...

again white gems can be changed to black depending on the circumstances/situation..

[Hammer96]

Originally posted by evosfgamn xd:

Yeah.

Ivan seems to disagree with me on the blue gem being in the mana gem/ kill gem.
I know that in a slow trap (placed right before the kill gem/mana trap,it has a blue gem), but im talking about something different here, im talking about the build order/construction of mana gem/kill gem. i thought that algorithm wise putting a blue gem somehow makes a mana gem/kill gem better all round. (you know like how they have big kill gem calculator thingy where they put random gems, some lower lvl, some higher lvl, some the same etc). i dont know what its called, i can only describe it as kill gem calculator as i dont know what its called...

[Drudo]

dont add blue to your kill gem or mana gem. always make a seperate slow gem just before kill gem or mana gem.

when creatures go over your slow gem (black/red/blue) they get slowed by around 70% and it lasts a long time... long enough to over over your mana or kill gem, and still be crawling slowly after it passes

[Hammer96]

Originally posted by Drudo:

dont add blue to your kill gem or mana gem. always make a seperate slow gem just before kill gem or mana gem.

when creatures go over your slow gem (black/red/blue) they get slowed by around 70% and it lasts a long time... long enough to over over your mana or kill gem, and still be crawling slowly after it passes

ok well its established then... no blue gem in mana/kill gem.. only in slowing trap placed before the mana/kill gem trap.

is this what the kill gem/mana gem looks like when dissected?
please correct me if im wrong

so:

mana gem (trap)
orange, white, red+
orange, white, red

kill gem (trap)
yellow, white, red+
yellow, white, red

the simplified version :)

Mana gem (trap):
orange, white, red x2
(6 gems in total, as shown above, combined)

Kill gem (trap)
yellow, white, red x2
(again 6 in total, combined into 1 gem)

please tell me if this is correct..
i need to know asap so i can start using them...

obviously whites can be swapped for blacks depending on the situation.