Vlad is actually a Romanian National Hero

[unseen4ce]

He had a small land that was surrounded by a much stronger turkish force, his people and himself had suffered at the hands of these people. He was actually in bondage as a child to the turks. The turks were nortorious for operating a barbaric slave trade.

He devised a plan where he would protect his Nation from invasion by doing small raids and mounting the corpses as a sign to other attempts.

This is a very breif summary, but he was actually a great man who protected his people in an extremely dire situation.

[kelticpete]

who cares if romanians say he is a hero? Stalin, who killed MILLIONS of Russians, made russia strong and today 50% of russians view him favorably. how? because he killed whole families so there are few grandkids around to say. "yeah, he was a ♥♥♥♥, he killed me grand-dad" my data http://rbth.com/society/2013/03/04/half_of_russians_remain_positive_about_stalin_23503.html

and the fact he was evil ♥♥♥♥---killed 20 million-- http://www.ibtimes.com/how-many-people-did-joseph-stalin-kill-1111789 [my point being that just because a nation reveres a tough leader, does not make him a true hero. drug dealers are heroes in juarez. not to me.

[kelticpete]

what matters is that there is a type of person who values anyone who is STRONG and SUCCESSFUL and ignores the brutality. It is rick verus shane on walking dead. vlad is shane. the vlad the impaler website notes, "Vlad the Impaler used various means of torturing including, cutting of limbs, blinding, strangulation, burning, cutting off noses and ears, mutilation of sexual organs, scalping, skinning, exposure to the elements or to wild animals and boiling alive. Death by impalement was slow and painful."

[Gargamel]

If anyone want's a real opinion that is supplied with historical fact I recommend this book...

http://www.amazon.com/Dracula-Prince-Many-Faces-Times-ebook/dp/B000SHZ8SE/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1405973816&sr=1-1&keywords=dracula+prince+of+many+faces

Here is a small part of the bio of the book. So anyone in doubt can read up. I read this whole book a few years back, and it is an excellent read and can be had for $4.01 on amazon.

From Publishers Weekly
The fictional Dracula of Bram Stoker's novel is better known than the actual Vlad Dracula the Impaler, who ruled as prince of Wallachia for three brief periods in the mid-15th century. This study by two Boston College professors who have written other books about Dracula explores how the legend of the Transylvanian vampire arose. As a ruler, Dracula spread terror far and wide, inflicting appalling tortures on his victims, killing them by impalement, by boiling or skinning them alive. Yet when the time came to defend Europe against Turkish invaders, he led the battle, and the authors view him as "the first modern Renaissance prince of the land." Florescu and McNally offer so much detail about the battles of kings, princes, princelings and claimants to thrones that the book will appeal only to the most ardent Dracula fanatics. Illustrations not seen by PW.

[Erebus]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από jfoe1980:

If anyone want's a real opinion that is supplied with historical fact I recommend this book...

http://www.amazon.com/Dracula-Prince-Many-Faces-Times-ebook/dp/B000SHZ8SE/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1405973816&sr=1-1&keywords=dracula+prince+of+many+faces

Here is a small part of the bio of the book. So anyone in doubt can read up. I read this whole book a few years back, and it is an excellent read and can be had for $4.01 on amazon.

From Publishers Weekly
The fictional Dracula of Bram Stoker's novel is better known than the actual Vlad Dracula the Impaler, who ruled as prince of Wallachia for three brief periods in the mid-15th century. This study by two Boston College professors who have written other books about Dracula explores how the legend of the Transylvanian vampire arose. As a ruler, Dracula spread terror far and wide, inflicting appalling tortures on his victims, killing them by impalement, by boiling or skinning them alive. Yet when the time came to defend Europe against Turkish invaders, he led the battle, and the authors view him as "the first modern Renaissance prince of the land." Florescu and McNally offer so much detail about the battles of kings, princes, princelings and claimants to thrones that the book will appeal only to the most ardent Dracula fanatics. Illustrations not seen by PW.

Ooh thanks for the link, looks like an interesting read.

[Madeline]

if Vlad was around today he'd easily make president for his heroics.There's a new movie about him coming out where he also has super powers, which is an accurate account when Batman another hero, travelled back in time and witnessed it.

[SihayaTheFremen]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από jfoe1980:

If anyone want's a real opinion that is supplied with historical fact I recommend this book...

http://www.amazon.com/Dracula-Prince-Many-Faces-Times-ebook/dp/B000SHZ8SE/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1405973816&sr=1-1&keywords=dracula+prince+of+many+faces

Here is a small part of the bio of the book. So anyone in doubt can read up. I read this whole book a few years back, and it is an excellent read and can be had for $4.01 on amazon.

From Publishers Weekly
The fictional Dracula of Bram Stoker's novel is better known than the actual Vlad Dracula the Impaler, who ruled as prince of Wallachia for three brief periods in the mid-15th century. This study by two Boston College professors who have written other books about Dracula explores how the legend of the Transylvanian vampire arose. As a ruler, Dracula spread terror far and wide, inflicting appalling tortures on his victims, killing them by impalement, by boiling or skinning them alive. Yet when the time came to defend Europe against Turkish invaders, he led the battle, and the authors view him as "the first modern Renaissance prince of the land." Florescu and McNally offer so much detail about the battles of kings, princes, princelings and claimants to thrones that the book will appeal only to the most ardent Dracula fanatics. Illustrations not seen by PW.

I remember reading that book when I was in High School. Fascinating read.

[unseen4ce]

I agree, Vlad has many similarities with a figure such as Stalin, perhaps he was revered even though he was abusing his own people.
But certainly Stalin did nothing for 'his people'. They were exploited mercilously. They even had to enforce their own front-lines, those who turned back were executed immmediately.

Isn't it strange that modern genocides happen under communist regimes (mao, the holodomor and more under stalin, khmer rouge), I wonder where the communist ideology took it's foundational concepts from, I wonder what intent was behind it's inception. Who benefited?, many look to the French revolution for answers, as it was a similar 'liberation'.

The frankfurt school has ideas on using tensions within certain groups in order to enact change, the frankfurt school still uses such tactics today; just as early communists used the grievances of the workers. But they had to replace or find a new proleteriat, and find other new groups, to use for such social-engineering after they found that European workers generally had more loyalty to their Nation then their class.

[The Doctor]

Even back then half the thing needed to keep your people safe was embelishment of your deeds, though there are some undisputed facts he had the nobels that did not side with him impaled and lined the road leading up to the city with the dead and dying. It was a warning and a display of power and ruthlessness. We think because America or Western Europe has a slightly less abhorrent way of displaying power that the world is less ruthless? Those of us on these forums are fortunate to live in countries where such things are the exception not the rule. Look into any country or people that has to struggle to just get by and things haven't changed for them much.

I'm specifically going out of my way to avoid naming today's cultures that do similar things, not because I'm actually afraid of offending people (I'm jingoistic by nature if it bothers you so what) but because I enjoy keeping my account active on Steam and not violating any ToS. On the other side people are so overly sensitive and PC these days that it's a wonder we haven't had some of these cultures I'm thinking of stop fighting each other and just steam roll the rest of the world because they lack the stomach for the kind of violence they see as common place.

Vlad the Impaler did the things necessary to keep those from outside his lands from taking them through fear if they thought of him as a blood drinker what did he care that usually meant they were more afraid of the image and not the man. Though it was actually the Communist Romanian government that boosted Vlad to national hero status, the people of Romania needed SOMETHING to get behind in the mid 1980s and before so they ressurected Vlad to use what he did as a symbol of national pride.

By the wa anyone that says "well we just don't do those things anymore." I point you to the holocaust as proof that even developed nations can have sick and depraved individuals in power that do disgusting things to other people, it's part and parcel of being Human.

[unseen4ce]

^I doubt your 'jingoistic' self could say anything to get your steam account deactivated.

If only because you are not capable of being controversial with your mundane opinion, the opinion we all 'learn' in school.

[Harbinger]

Is Kim Jon Un a hero also? Maybe in North Korea they think he is awesome. Just a little point to make here. Not saying Vlad is not a hero, I think he made some terribly difficult choices with not many options. I also think Vlad was bitter from his imprisonment as a child. Either way, the moral of what im saying is that in war, perception is the real weapon. Vlad is still losing that war today. Media always wins.

[Mister Magician]

To reiterate:
"I find it funny how those defending him use the same line of dialogue people who live under dictators use to describe their glorious leaders."

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από unseen4ce:

^You don't know what you're talking about. Now you live in a country where the leaders could not care less what happens to you ...yet you listen to them while they tell you lies about the history of the past ...while they lie about men who ARE revered by their people as sincerely having tried to help them.

They do this while your country has been sold from under your feet. They do this while you sit back, not knowing anything, repeating the lies they have told you ...YOU are the brainwashed idiot, not the Romanians.

You live under the most grotesque 'dictatorship' yet devised ...yet you are not intelligent enough to recognize this. Instead you worry about phantoms from the past, a distraction so that you will never realize that you are not free nor independent. You cannot even criticize those who rule you with a parasitic greed.

I keep my account private because I want my games, time spent in games etc to remain private, it has no bearing on anything ...to suggest that this somehow invalidates my comments is the height of stupidity.

Speaking of things people in 3rd-world countries are taught to say verbatim. You missed calling me a "capitalist pig-dog" though.

I give your rhetoric a D for lack of effort.


This thread is hilarious. You have one butthurt Romanian (or worse, one guy who is only tangentially related to Romania, trying to connect with his "heritage" by trolling the internet forums) on multiple private dummy accounts (it's either that or he has siblings who use the same posting style as him and has the exact same opinions) here to "set the record straight" about his beloved leader by using yourlogicalfallacyis.com as a checklist.

Do you even have an argument? Or are you just content to vomit out personal attacks in lieu of something related to Vlad himself?


Also, you are content to insult, but only indirectly. Are you under the impression that the mods won't realize who you are slinging mud at if you don't quote them?

[Erebus]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Mister Magician:

To reiterate:
"I find it funny how those defending him use the same line of dialogue people who live under dictators use to describe their glorious leaders."

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από unseen4ce:

^You don't know what you're talking about. Now you live in a country where the leaders could not care less what happens to you ...yet you listen to them while they tell you lies about the history of the past ...while they lie about men who ARE revered by their people as sincerely having tried to help them.

They do this while your country has been sold from under your feet. They do this while you sit back, not knowing anything, repeating the lies they have told you ...YOU are the brainwashed idiot, not the Romanians.

You live under the most grotesque 'dictatorship' yet devised ...yet you are not intelligent enough to recognize this. Instead you worry about phantoms from the past, a distraction so that you will never realize that you are not free nor independent. You cannot even criticize those who rule you with a parasitic greed.

I keep my account private because I want my games, time spent in games etc to remain private, it has no bearing on anything ...to suggest that this somehow invalidates my comments is the height of stupidity.

Speaking of things people in 3rd-world countries are taught to say verbatim. You missed calling me a "capitalist pig-dog" though.

I give your rhetoric a D for lack of effort.


This thread is hilarious. You have one butthurt Romanian (or worse, one guy who is only tangentially related to Romania, trying to connect with his "heritage" by trolling the internet forums) on multiple private dummy accounts (it's either that or he has siblings who use the same posting style as him and has the exact same opinions) here to "set the record straight" about his beloved leader by using yourlogicalfallacyis.com as a checklist.

Do you even have an argument? Or are you just content to vomit out personal attacks in lieu of something related to Vlad himself?


Also, you are content to insult, but only indirectly. Are you under the impression that the mods won't realize who you are slinging mud at if you don't quote them?

1/10 too many assumptions. Unthinkable that someone could agree with someone on some level without being connected to them right? If your argument against something includes that many assumptions who are you to criticize anyone?

[unseen4ce]

@Mister M
I have done nothing that would warrant mod attention, calling people idiots is fine. I did not do it indirectly either.

When I replied to you it was condescending because you were whinging about dictators while you live in what is ostensibly a dictatorship. I have been vague in many comments to keep my account active, I cannot make direct claims.

None-the-less, at the beginning of the thread I made my statements very clear on one issue, you didn't read that and then came in talking a bunch of drivel. You haven't formed any refutation of my initial claims whatsoever, so I don't know what you're talking about.

You seem to think this is a joke, good on you. That is not a valid rebuttal. Like I said at the beginning of the thread, I don't mind ad hom if it is supported by ad rem, kid.

At some point I was swamped with idiots ...yet still I make points as strong as I can, connnectiing the modern times we live in to the influence of the frankfurt school. I even accepted some concessions to make this point. As one poster with a nose for such things realized early on, I have been using the topic of Vlad as a vehicle to discuss Nationalism. Many aspects are impossible to discuss, especially when looking at the 'mind-set' of most people in the thread. There were some smart guys, but not so many. Since this isn't going anywhere, I am going to unsubsribe from this thread.Why risk my steam account for nothing.

This is because the whole time, my underlying point which I cannot state directly, due to steam policies, is better served by doing so. Thus you are incorrect in your assumption about my points on Vlad. In-fact you didn't seem to grasp those points either, at all.

Lastly you failed to understand the post you quoted of mine. It is vague, but most people would be able to read between the lines ...you were incapable of this because you are not bright, to put it lightly.

[Milanius]

Wou I just show to my Romanian friend all your post and I must say he like it :)
As well I shoud ask you if you know that saing: Truth become Story, Story become Myth and Myth become Legend. He is saing that you see Vlad only from one side and coin always have two sides. And people in such situation always looking for somebody strong. And one after overlook some odd stuff what Vlad done. Saing Vlad is not Hero for all people of Romania. Many in Romania have him for mass murderer, many as you say for hero.
There is many historical facts which make him very violent and brutal even for such a age.

[Gargamel]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Harbinger:

Is Kim Jon Un a hero also? Maybe in North Korea they think he is awesome. Just a little point to make here. Not saying Vlad is not a hero, I think he made some terribly difficult choices with not many options. I also think Vlad was bitter from his imprisonment as a child. Either way, the moral of what im saying is that in war, perception is the real weapon. Vlad is still losing that war today. Media always wins.

They are totally different. Vlad cared about his men and country and did what he thought was best to protect it. Kim Jong Ill and Un do not care about their people and do everything they can to hold them back. Like closing borders and not allowing internet and outside good from other country's. North Korea is completely isolated and oblivious to the rest of the world.

I highly recommend watching the documentary from National Geographic entitled "Inside Undercover In North Korea". Here is a youtube link, but it can also bee seen on netflix, at least it use to be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_268_pBvPs