How is this P2W?

[Shasow]

Why do all of the reviews say this game is pay-to-win? I'm only about level 15 so far, but I don't see anything pay-to-win about it. Yeah, bag size is pretty small, but it's something I can live with I think. I see some reviews saying something about how you need to pay for mounts, but I bought a mount for like 1000 gold from a player vendor (pretty sure I got ripped off too).

[Koitenshin]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Bringer:

Diposting pertama kali oleh rammur:

people dont know what p2w actually is anymore.

Higher class items have worse enchanting rates too.

People running around in their +5 class C items thinking the game isnt pay to win are just making far too many assumptions. +10ing top teir gear and getting the correct seals for your build is not goint to be possible with out spending a LOT in the cash shop.

I bet you people saying tis not pay to win have not even done research on the seal system, or looked up the equipment discussion on other language forums of this game to understand what is even required at endgame. But because you can grind your same level mobs in your eceonomy newbie equipment you think its all fine and well.

I wish I could "like" this post. It's the exact way I feel about the entire upgrade system. For the seals alone you have Green, Blue, Purple, and Orange seals (like WoW or Rift), then you have the entire +1 to +10 system with horrendous chances unless you pay a lot of money to increase your chances greatly, not including the fact they have a cash shop item to where your upgrading doesn't break the item.

[Yitani]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Koitenshin:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Bringer:

Higher class items have worse enchanting rates too.

People running around in their +5 class C items thinking the game isnt pay to win are just making far too many assumptions. +10ing top teir gear and getting the correct seals for your build is not goint to be possible with out spending a LOT in the cash shop.

I bet you people saying tis not pay to win have not even done research on the seal system, or looked up the equipment discussion on other language forums of this game to understand what is even required at endgame. But because you can grind your same level mobs in your eceonomy newbie equipment you think its all fine and well.

I wish I could "like" this post. It's the exact way I feel about the entire upgrade system. For the seals alone you have Green, Blue, Purple, and Orange seals (like WoW or Rift), then you have the entire +1 to +10 system with horrendous chances unless you pay a lot of money to increase your chances greatly, not including the fact they have a cash shop item to where your upgrading doesn't break the item.

the seal system is the same as RO upgrading system and I don't even know why im bothering with pay to win threads when you know well everything is tradable and easily obtainable with some farming like in ANY mmorpg out there =/ even Archage does restriction to the point where it LIMITS you from you touching the game lol

[Eezo]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Bringer:

Diposting pertama kali oleh rammur:

people dont know what p2w actually is anymore.

Higher class items have worse enchanting rates too.

People running around in their +5 class C items thinking the game isnt pay to win are just making far too many assumptions. +10ing top teir gear and getting the correct seals for your build is not goint to be possible with out spending a LOT in the cash shop.

I bet you people saying tis not pay to win have not even done research on the seal system, or looked up the equipment discussion on other language forums of this game to understand what is even required at endgame. But because you can grind your same level mobs in your eceonomy newbie equipment you think its all fine and well.

I bet people who think it is pay to win don't even realize that you do not need +10 and top enchanted gear to make it through the game. By the time you make it to the higher levels, the loot drops get so good that you can afford to buy the reales to get whatever you want and make yourself badass or whatever tickles your fancy. Is everyone so against working to get that far, that everything's oney value is getting in the way? You don't need to spend a dime in the cash shop. Hell, you don't even need to upgrade your gear to +3. and you know how i level? i've tracked down every item i could that increases my exp gain by 3% and 6%. now, on top of the premium that i bought with in game currency, i am earning exp at a rate of about 183%. All without spending a dime. My gear is +3 blue sealed and appropriate for my level, all without spending a dime.

Just work at it.

[Ape Flu]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Shasow:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kenpox:

Mounts , Potions , Elixirs , Premiun Account so you dont have to Walk to every single place, plus you can teleport to towns from any map wich every MMO/MMORPG out there has it for free ( just have to buy a scroll or something for Gold not premiun currency). Maybe to get a few more bags slots , you kill 4 mobs and your bags get full , that's nuts !.

Oh, boohoo, you have to spend an extra 2 minutes walking instead of teleporting somewhere....

Sounds incrediblly annoying though

[DigitalLuvin]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Shasow:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kenpox:

Have you seen the Premium shop store ? You can buy items that gives you 2/4/6 x more chanches to upgrade your items , for example , for a item from +4 to +5 there is like 30% of succes, buy a 4x item and tadaaa 100% chances to +5 , so you can easly do a +10 , besides that they sell Cards that boost your health +5% , cards with big amounts of bonus like defense, attack speed etc etc , they also sell cosmetics sets like a robot disguise and so , they also give 5% Hp , they also sell items that give you a huge chance of getting an orange item when you enchant your gear ....etc etc etc ...there are so many P2W things D:

None of that prevents me from enjoying this game. And as others have mentioned, you can buy cash-shop currency from other players.

Most of the P2W aspects are going to be PvP related.. so if your heavy into PvP, you may want to avoid it - but if you just quest and raid, you won't notice it.

[Black]

Its funny how players not calling it pay to win all either have less than 20 hrs under their belt in game OR don't play at all. rolling good seals and getting decent + on low leveled gear is very easy to do. you can safely get to like +7 without cash shop items. after level 40 your gear will have an crazy chance of breaking at +3!

It's quite easy to play this game naturally without the cash shop because of how broken gameplay is, especially for ranged classes since they can solo many mobs much higher lvled than themselves. If i wanted to i could level my Sorc to level 60 with crappy level 20 gear and no seals. I was mainly speaking about competeing in pvp which indeed will be frustrating to go against a guy who has triple your health, maxed gear, elixer, and an unlimited supply of cash shop health pots. If you've been to PvPvE dungeons you should have met these type of players already.

This will be more aparent once they release the battle grounds and you can watch "that guy" solo your entire team.

[Koitenshin]

I may only have 33 hours under my belt on this game so far, but I've already run into "that guy". A level 19 Mage had 3x my health and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ nuked me in a single shot. That was only in the Mill. Screw PvPvE. What's even worse is one of the Storyline quests is a MANDATORY PvPvE one.

[Inari]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Koitenshin:

I may only have 33 hours under my belt on this game so far, but I've already run into "that guy". A level 19 Mage had 3x my health and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ nuked me in a single shot. That was only in the Mill. Screw PvPvE. What's even worse is one of the Storyline quests is a MANDATORY PvPvE one.

So you're saying its like WoW?

[Shasow]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Uni:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Koitenshin:

I may only have 33 hours under my belt on this game so far, but I've already run into "that guy". A level 19 Mage had 3x my health and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ nuked me in a single shot. That was only in the Mill. Screw PvPvE. What's even worse is one of the Storyline quests is a MANDATORY PvPvE one.

So you're saying its like WoW?

Except WoW offers instant max-level in the cash shop...

[Inari]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Shasow:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Uni:

So you're saying its like WoW?

Except WoW offers instant max-level in the cash shop...

Well that too haha :D mostly meant the uber-equipped lvl 19 twinks

[Ape Flu]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Uni:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Koitenshin:

I may only have 33 hours under my belt on this game so far, but I've already run into "that guy". A level 19 Mage had 3x my health and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ nuked me in a single shot. That was only in the Mill. Screw PvPvE. What's even worse is one of the Storyline quests is a MANDATORY PvPvE one.

So you're saying its like WoW?

You don't buy that stuff with RL money in wow though.

[Inari]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Bless Big Ape:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Uni:

So you're saying its like WoW?

You don't buy that stuff with RL money in wow though.

Does it matter?

[Secret_Desires]

So,this is P2W after all,reading all of this,and stuff from other sites no way i will even try it lol....

[Inari]

Diposting pertama kali oleh -SRB-Oliver:

So,this is P2W after all,reading all of this,and stuff from other sites no way i will even try it lol....

Depends on your definition of p2w, technically with a bit of effort you have to pay nothing to "win" :p

[Fabiodens]

I don't understand all of the gripe people throw at this game claiming that it's a P2W game. This just means that you don't know how to prioritize your time and how to work hard. What makes games like this sooo much fun is the difficulty to play it during the early levels because once you hit high levels, it becomes so rewarding and you can look at your character with pride because you are sure that you worked really hard for that character.