How to fight Tager?

[Waffle]

I own the game on console but this is the only place I know where to ask.
Although I'm sort of new to BB I don't have that much of a trouble fighting against other characters on the hardest difficulty but this guy's way too over powered.
His command grabs never fail and he sometimes even counter my super attacks with his super grab taking away half of my HP bar on one hit, on top of that I have to deal with his magnetism attack that makes it even easier for him to grab me whenever he wants. It feels super unfair compared to literally any other character on the whole game and honestly I feel unmotivated to play whenever he appears in arcade mode or story mode.

[Kawalorn]

Well, good news. He's actually one of the more ♥♥♥♥♥♥ characters tier-wise, so it's not him, it's you. :P

Unless you are playing on the highest difficulty setting with AI, cause then he is straight up cheating. Personally I found it works best to fight him at a "poking" distance, aka far enough that only your farthest reaching normal can hit him.

[Sauvagess]

Ah, Tager advice. Being the #1 Tager on the leaderboards, I suppose it would be easy enough to give at least one simple tip.

Don't do unsafe ♥♥♥♥.




No, really. Tager is a grappler. His entire gameplay (at least, prior to CP) revolves around gimmicks and punishment. You ever use Musou Senshouzan or Musou Tousshugeki and have it blocked? Instant B Gigantic Tager Driver. Ever hop in the air and just pull out a Swallow Moon? Atomic Collider pls. Sitting in the corner spamming nomal drives with Lamda? lol B Sledge. You see Tager using Voltec Charge and come in with an air attack? Hammer on contact. Pick someone up with Gadget Finger, they burst, Tager uses Magna Tech Wheel right through it.

Tager is basically the Beef Gate in terms of play skill when it comes to new players, because his kit is designed to counter-attack, basically. Additionally, he has the longest backdash in the game, which can be used to dodge quite a few moves off an instant block, and follow up with a Gigantic Tager Driver or even a normal grab if wanted. He also has double the Guard Primers of other characters, at a whopping 10 where the next closes is..I think Haku-Men with 6, and everyone else is either 5 or 4. He has the lowest penalty gain for Negative State by playing defensively, and if you EVER see a Tager go into Negative state, then be sure to bundle up because Hell literally just froze over and a nuke is heading for your location as you see it happening, because the world is pretty much over at that point. In fact, over my entire BlazBlue involvement, I have only been guard broken once, which was by a Platinum with Super Hammer (that knocks off 3 primers per hit).

In order to properly fight a Tager, you need to have a really good offensive game and know where your pressure fails. Air-tight block strings will keep any Tager proper pinned down, especially if they're in the corner. Know where your chains get really invasive, anticipate any bursts, and make sure that you don't throw out something unsafe for no reason. Having a good high-low mixup will keep them on their toes as Tager's counter assault is pretty piss-poor. He just stomps and grounds the opponent which allows them to tech wherever they want, putting him right back into the same situation immediately.


tl;dr git gud. Like, literally, improve your play. The more skilled you are at the neutral game, the easier Tager's difficulty goes down.

[petran79]

So you mean you dont have trouble against Nu's and Lambda's zoning on Hell difficulty?
I found them to be as bad as in Calamity Trigger....

But yeah, CPU Tager predicts your moves and can even do standing 720 or even 1080 motions!

Irony is that in Guilty Gear XX AC+ R there is an achievement for beating CPU on hard, which is a piece of cake. But BB AI is 10 much more advanced yet there is no achievement...

[PilyLichu]

Spin stick = win game

[Sauvagess]

Originally posted by petran79:

So you mean you dont have trouble against Nu's and Lambda's zoning on Hell difficulty?
I found them to be as bad as in Calamity Trigger....

Ahaha, ahahahahahahaha, hahahahaha

No.

Nu v Tager was LITERALLY a 10:0 matchup in CT - completely unwinnable by Tager. In this game, it's about 7.5:2.5, and it CP it's 7:3

[akumaserge]

Originally posted by Sauvagess:

Originally posted by petran79:

So you mean you dont have trouble against Nu's and Lambda's zoning on Hell difficulty?
I found them to be as bad as in Calamity Trigger....

Ahaha, ahahahahahahaha, hahahahaha

No.

Nu v Tager was LITERALLY a 10:0 matchup in CT - completely unwinnable by Tager. In this game, it's about 7.5:2.5, and it CP it's 7:3

So you're saying there's a chance. /s

[petran79]

for beginners tier lists work differently. Eg I fare much better with Rachel against such crap....

[Sauvagess]

Originally posted by RainbowGodDamnDash:

Originally posted by Sauvagess:

Ahaha, ahahahahahahaha, hahahahaha

No.

Nu v Tager was LITERALLY a 10:0 matchup in CT - completely unwinnable by Tager. In this game, it's about 7.5:2.5, and it CP it's 7:3

So you're saying there's a chance. /s

Yeah, now.

[Waffle]

Thanks for the advice, guys.
I have one more question though.

How should I fight Jin?

I'm trying to beat arcade on hell difficulty but he's just impossible to fight, his attacks freeze me on the spot making his combos even longert han they should be and even if break the ice attack he gets me inmediately.

Edit: Well I've been trying to beat him for hours now and it's outright impossible. I had no idea how overpowered, unbalanced and unfair his technique was until I tried Hell difficulty.