Disabling Memory Integrity

[Ravioli]

Really? Why is this a requirement? It can expose a system to kernel level attacks. Why would I need it so you can embed your anti-cheat software? Even Hell Divers 2 extensive kernel anti-cheat doesn't require it to be off.

[Losky]

Originally posted by 🐵 Greg 🐵:

Originally posted by Losky:

explain how you catch cheaters without being invasive in your anti cheat, if u care that much just buy a pos netbook to have your information stored on, but the reality is your info has already been sold by 90% of the accounts youve logged in and put information in.

Then watch some people that know a bit more about security and that you dont need kernel level anti cheat to work - it's just excuse to use one.

true thats why all the best ones are. those people sound really smart they should make an industry standard non kernal anticheat, i bet theyd make a lot of money

[Feeeeeeeloooo]

Most of the people here turn off Memory Integrity OR better yet Virtualization in BIOS which simultaneously disabled Core Isolation + Memory Integrity to improve performance in a load of games.

The majority of "Get 100x more FPS-guides" tell you to turn off Virtualization in BIOS, which definitely does help give you better performance overall.

But then they cry 'Oh no anti-cheat is going to steal my data' --- Did you know you don't need kernel-level software to steal data? Just running something on your computer or worse yet running something elevated (Administrator rights) opens up opportunities for an application to steal your data.

The only time something kernel-level becomes a problem if it remains active after closing the game or remains active on your computer after uninstalling.



If anything blame cheaters for this development, just look at any Battlefield game, it's infested with cheaters, I came back to BF2042 and even some older BF titles and immediately had multiple matches with several cheaters headshotting people through walls and other ridiculous non-human like feats.

Without kernel-level anti-cheat you're not going to catch kernel-level cheaters, especially not if they knowingly play bad at times to avoid being the 'obvious cheater' on the leaderboard.

Non-kernel level anti-cheat is completely useless, you might as well have no anti-cheat instead of implementing something that will catch only lowhanging fruit using dead obvious software to cheat like Cheat-Engine or AutoHotKey.

'Oh just have community-run servers to allow people to ban cheaters!'

Ah yes, community-run servers, where admins ban you if you kill them 2-3 times in a row or if you dare have commentary.



I'm not a fan of kernel-level anti-cheat as it often leads to performance issues or even BSOD's in some cases, but it's a necessary evil at this point.

Originally posted by Losky:

Originally posted by 🐵 Greg 🐵:

Then watch some people that know a bit more about security and that you dont need kernel level anti cheat to work - it's just excuse to use one.

true thats why all the best ones are. those people sound really smart they should make an industry standard non kernal anticheat, i bet theyd make a lot of money

Can you show me any human being that can detect and decipher Radio Waves without a radio? Because that's basically what you're suggesting.... for anti-cheat to detect something they can't see.

A kernel level cheat can effectively disable or completely avoid detection from a non-kernel anti-cheat. Rendering it completely useless and again you might as well have no anti-cheat.

The ONLY non-viable way to eliminate cheaters is to have multiple moderators watch footage of every single game being played in real-time and manually ban them. But then again, you're only getting the DEAD OBVIOUS cheaters, not the one's that know when to turn it on and off.

If we're going by the notion that Shroud is NOT cheating, and that his skills are natural, having human beings go over his footage or footage from someone similarly skilled would in all likelihood lead to them getting banned for cheating.

So either the developer has to hire thousands of moderators, which will cost them more money than the game will ever make or use anti-cheat that is at least (somewhat) capable of detecting cheat software. You can't half-ass be like 'Oh non-kernel anti-cheat!'

[=GUD= ValiantMikey]

Originally posted by Ravioli:

It's not that I think they'll steal my info. It's the fact that it's an extremely invasive and horribly made anti-cheat. Learn some basic knowledge about PC vulnerabilities before jumping to conclusions. If anything I was attempting to make aware of what it is. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

cant complain about cheaters in games, then complain the anticheat is too invasive at the same time. we have learned time and time again that the most invasive anticheats i.e. valorant works wonders to detect and prevent cheaters

[Losky]

Originally posted by Feeeeeeeloooo:

Most of the people here turn off Memory Integrity OR better yet Virtualization in BIOS which simultaneously disabled Core Isolation + Memory Integrity to improve performance in a load of games.

The majority of "Get 100x more FPS-guides" tell you to turn off Virtualization in BIOS, which definitely does help give you better performance overall.

But then they cry 'Oh no anti-cheat is going to steal my data' --- Did you know you don't need kernel-level software to steal data? Just running something on your computer or worse yet running something elevated (Administrator rights) opens up opportunities for an application to steal your data.

The only time something kernel-level becomes a problem if it remains active after closing the game or remains active on your computer after uninstalling.



If anything blame cheaters for this development, just look at any Battlefield game, it's infested with cheaters, I came back to BF2042 and even some older BF titles and immediately had multiple matches with several cheaters headshotting people through walls and other ridiculous non-human like feats.

Without kernel-level anti-cheat you're not going to catch kernel-level cheaters, especially not if they knowingly play bad at times to avoid being the 'obvious cheater' on the leaderboard.

Non-kernel level anti-cheat is completely useless, you might as well have no anti-cheat instead of implementing something that will catch only lowhanging fruit using dead obvious software to cheat like Cheat-Engine or AutoHotKey.

'Oh just have community-run servers to allow people to ban cheaters!'

Ah yes, community-run servers, where admins ban you if you kill them 2-3 times in a row or if you dare have commentary.



I'm not a fan of kernel-level anti-cheat as it often leads to performance issues or even BSOD's in some cases, but it's a necessary evil at this point.

Originally posted by Losky:

true thats why all the best ones are. those people sound really smart they should make an industry standard non kernal anticheat, i bet theyd make a lot of money

Can you show me any human being that can detect and decipher Radio Waves without a radio? Because that's basically what you're suggesting.... for anti-cheat to detect something they can't see.

A kernel level cheat can effectively disable or completely avoid detection from a non-kernel anti-cheat. Rendering it completely useless and again you might as well have no anti-cheat.

The ONLY non-viable way to eliminate cheaters is to have multiple moderators watch footage of every single game being played in real-time and manually ban them. But then again, you're only getting the DEAD OBVIOUS cheaters, not the one's that know when to turn it on and off.

If we're going by the notion that Shroud is NOT cheating, and that his skills are natural, having human beings go over his footage or footage from someone similarly skilled would in all likelihood lead to them getting banned for cheating.

So either the developer has to hire thousands of moderators, which will cost them more money than the game will ever make or use anti-cheat that is at least (somewhat) capable of detecting cheat software. You can't half-ass be like 'Oh non-kernel anti-cheat!'

brother im on your side lol. i was being sarcastic

[Feeeeeeeloooo]

Originally posted by Losky:

Originally posted by Feeeeeeeloooo:

Most of the people here turn off Memory Integrity OR better yet Virtualization in BIOS which simultaneously disabled Core Isolation + Memory Integrity to improve performance in a load of games.

The majority of "Get 100x more FPS-guides" tell you to turn off Virtualization in BIOS, which definitely does help give you better performance overall.

But then they cry 'Oh no anti-cheat is going to steal my data' --- Did you know you don't need kernel-level software to steal data? Just running something on your computer or worse yet running something elevated (Administrator rights) opens up opportunities for an application to steal your data.

The only time something kernel-level becomes a problem if it remains active after closing the game or remains active on your computer after uninstalling.



If anything blame cheaters for this development, just look at any Battlefield game, it's infested with cheaters, I came back to BF2042 and even some older BF titles and immediately had multiple matches with several cheaters headshotting people through walls and other ridiculous non-human like feats.

Without kernel-level anti-cheat you're not going to catch kernel-level cheaters, especially not if they knowingly play bad at times to avoid being the 'obvious cheater' on the leaderboard.

Non-kernel level anti-cheat is completely useless, you might as well have no anti-cheat instead of implementing something that will catch only lowhanging fruit using dead obvious software to cheat like Cheat-Engine or AutoHotKey.

'Oh just have community-run servers to allow people to ban cheaters!'

Ah yes, community-run servers, where admins ban you if you kill them 2-3 times in a row or if you dare have commentary.



I'm not a fan of kernel-level anti-cheat as it often leads to performance issues or even BSOD's in some cases, but it's a necessary evil at this point.




Can you show me any human being that can detect and decipher Radio Waves without a radio? Because that's basically what you're suggesting.... for anti-cheat to detect something they can't see.

A kernel level cheat can effectively disable or completely avoid detection from a non-kernel anti-cheat. Rendering it completely useless and again you might as well have no anti-cheat.

The ONLY non-viable way to eliminate cheaters is to have multiple moderators watch footage of every single game being played in real-time and manually ban them. But then again, you're only getting the DEAD OBVIOUS cheaters, not the one's that know when to turn it on and off.

If we're going by the notion that Shroud is NOT cheating, and that his skills are natural, having human beings go over his footage or footage from someone similarly skilled would in all likelihood lead to them getting banned for cheating.

So either the developer has to hire thousands of moderators, which will cost them more money than the game will ever make or use anti-cheat that is at least (somewhat) capable of detecting cheat software. You can't half-ass be like 'Oh non-kernel anti-cheat!'

brother im on your side lol. i was being sarcastic

It's posted on Steam so you have to assume people don't know squat about what they're talking about...

[Iced]

Originally posted by Ravioli:

It's not that I think they'll steal my info. It's the fact that it's an extremely invasive and horribly made anti-cheat. Learn some basic knowledge about PC vulnerabilities before jumping to conclusions. If anything I was attempting to make aware of what it is. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

I will tell you something so you can be humbled and walk away. A lot of things require kernel access, not just an AC. There is a reason for it. You literally go "chinese and kernel" and make an assumption. Learn some basic IT yourself buddy, as there is no single shred of evidence showing that anything has been sent or "stolen" in your own words, by Netease or any of it's subsidary companies. Crying wolf is getting old from kids, please grow up and do better.

[Feeeeeeeloooo]

Originally posted by Iced:

Originally posted by Ravioli:

It's not that I think they'll steal my info. It's the fact that it's an extremely invasive and horribly made anti-cheat. Learn some basic knowledge about PC vulnerabilities before jumping to conclusions. If anything I was attempting to make aware of what it is. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

I will tell you something so you can be humbled and walk away. A lot of things require kernel access, not just an AC. There is a reason for it. You literally go "chinese and kernel" and make an assumption. Learn some basic IT yourself buddy, as there is no single shred of evidence showing that anything has been sent or "stolen" in your own words, by Netease or any of it's subsidary companies. Crying wolf is getting old from kids, please grow up and do better.

You don't even need kernel access to steal data, the only reason when someone wants to steal your data needs access on kernel level is if they want it to deliver a continous stream of data over longer periods of time. This process would likely be fully automated and will be noticeable by the amount of data leaving your system (upload).

For everything else, basic or administrator access is sufficient to steal practically everything on one's system.

These people would run applications asking for administrator rights without a single thought, but are afraid of something 'running in the background', whereas that application with administrator rights can install and start a bunch of other applications in the background that does exactly the same thing.

[Kitsuné]

I want to know how difficult is to completely uninstall if it turns out I don't like the game after trying it.

[Elemeno.]

Originally posted by Ravioli:

Really? Why is this a requirement? It can expose a system to kernel level attacks. Why would I need it so you can embed your anti-cheat software? Even Hell Divers 2 extensive kernel anti-cheat doesn't require it to be off.

nah ive also left this one out ... neacProtect has given me so many issues over the past ... they can keep this one

[Elemeno.]

Originally posted by Kitsuné:

I want to know how difficult is to completely uninstall if it turns out I don't like the game after trying it.

enjoy looking through your system 32 and all your registries .. it took me a full day and i still kept finding it in places , so i flashed and reinstalled lol

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[Ravioli]

Originally posted by JESUS IS KING:

Originally posted by Ravioli:

Really? Why is this a requirement? It can expose a system to kernel level attacks. Why would I need it so you can embed your anti-cheat software? Even Hell Divers 2 extensive kernel anti-cheat doesn't require it to be off.

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cheaters crying

Nah I have zero bans and am not a cheater. I just have more than half a brain cell and am knowledgeable on invasive tactics. I don't need something as useless and suspicious as this anticheat sitting on my pc that I've spent good money on. Try again.

[swampdonkey]

Meh, if it wasn't "Chinese" most of you wouldn't care. If you are smart enough to identify a program such as an anti-cheat as "harmful" you should be smart enough to mitigate the risks or any problems that arise from it. There's vastly easier ways to steal your data or access your PC without your knowledge than an anti-cheat.

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[teGreyalP]

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