deadlocked myself in the deep

[Ank Myrandor]

I'm going to be honest. I'm enjoying this game very much.

but this is basic game design. you cannot deadlock people. I'm stuck down there without a black diamond to get back up. and can't mine anything to build anything.

so I'm stuck.


make it so there is a way to get at least 1 black diamond for the teleport repair.
or make it that you can start building again.

this will get you negative reviews and people stop playing your game.


and no , no one is going to replay the game in a new world to get to the mines of moria to grind for new black diamonds.


TLDR:

toxic members keep on jumping here with insults and mocking me.

toxic members are :

VanDerSol
Macdallan
william_es
gerald2
chaoslink
StableDancer
ybgbgl
Logical Maneuver
Crunchy[Daz]
ReasonableRobert


If you want to know why your game is failing? it's because of people running into problems and these members among others are telling and mocking people you are playing the game wrong.

this is a detriment to your game, not a benefit.

[Macdallan]

Originally posted by Ank Myrandor:

no it is impossible to rebuild because you can't mine the iron, if that was possible, I wouldn't even complained. there are no random iron rock spawns, and you need a higher tier pickaxe to mine the in granite iron. so you need iron to make the pickaxe.

a simple deadlock catch 22 game-design flaw. yes I was unlucky. yes it's an oversight.
yes they should change it. it also took me the longest time to get down with a controller in my physical state, I'd rather never do that again.

Sorry, but no matter how many times you make the same claim it simply is not a "deadlock catch 22 game-design flaw" of any kind. It is not an oversight in any way, shape, or form and they should not change it.

This is a PEBKAC situation. This has been explained to you repeatedly. You made a mistake and then you chose to attempt the absolute hardest possible solution to the situation you found yourself in. That is on you, not the game design or the developers.

[Cormac]

The mistake is mine, right. But: your mistake is not telling me. I then stand in front of the elevator or the stairs and have already used up all my black diamonds. After I have gotten all the ones that are possible (orcs, trolls). Or I lost them as described when changing worlds. Without noticing. A note that you need 20 to progress would have been helpful. In that sense, you are deliberately or inadvertently letting me make a mistake.

[Macdallan]

Originally posted by Cormac:

The mistake is mine, right. But: your mistake is not telling me. I then stand in front of the elevator or the stairs and have already used up all my black diamonds. After I have gotten all the ones that are possible (orcs, trolls). Or I lost them as described when changing worlds. Without noticing. A note that you need 20 to progress would have been helpful. In that sense, you are deliberately or inadvertently letting me make a mistake.

That is a completely different issue than the OP's alleged problem. It's not the devs. mistake by not telling you what materials you need BEFORE you get to that area. Many games won't give players a heads up about every possible challenge they are going to have while playing. You find out when you get there and can sort it out after you get there if you don't happen to have the required materials on hand.

Anyway, it's entirely on you to solve that problem and it's a pretty easy one to solve. If you wasted too many black diamonds making other teleporters then simply deconstruct some of them and recover the diamonds you need. Don't want to do that? Make noise and kill orcs. They'll drop diamonds. Might take a while but that's what I ended up doing and it works. If you swapped worlds that's on you, too, not the developers. Swap back and go get your diamonds, or start a new world and farm more, or do one of the other two things I suggested.

[Macdallan]

Whoever is handing out Steam points in the form of jesters when all I'm doing is speaking the truth - please keep them coming. I'll take your points.

[Carnatux]

Originally posted by Macdallan:

Whoever is handing out Steam points in the form of jesters when all I'm doing is speaking the truth - please keep them coming. I'll take your points.

I'll do you one better!!!! TAKE MY POINTS!

[Vigilante]

So you repaired the lift for 15 black diamonds get to the bottom of the blue area bordering the purple and didn’t just use the pre placed map stone that just needs activating not repairing ? It was right next to the mushrooms for the new wood in the water at the bottom of the blue zone are you in sandbox or campaign?

[Ank Myrandor]

Originally posted by Vigilante:

So you repaired the lift for 15 black diamonds get to the bottom of the blue area bordering the purple and didn’t just use the pre placed map stone that just needs activating not repairing ? It was right next to the mushrooms for the new wood in the water at the bottom of the blue zone are you in sandbox or campaign?

I don't know if this is regarding me, but for me there was nothing to just activate. only repair with 1 black diamond on the bottom of the beginning of the 2nd area*

[Vigilante]

Originally posted by Ank Myrandor:

Originally posted by Vigilante:

So you repaired the lift for 15 black diamonds get to the bottom of the blue area bordering the purple and didn’t just use the pre placed map stone that just needs activating not repairing ? It was right next to the mushrooms for the new wood in the water at the bottom of the blue zone are you in sandbox or campaign?

I don't know if this is regarding me, but for me there was nothing to just activate. only repair with 1 black diamond on the bottom of the beginning of the 2nd area*

Weird ours was not damaged also the barrier to purple was just compacted dirt and past that a bunch of stuff that didn’t need the t3 picks are you fully explored in purple area as well?

[Gaindalf the Whey]

This has to be one of the most fun stories i've ever read on steam oh good lawd.

Just stop complaining, i know its hard as a fellow dutchman as it is in our nature, but bro you've outdone us all. Thread made me so ashamed of sharing a country that i moved up north. Ha det bra :)

[Ank Myrandor]

Originally posted by Gaindalf the Whey:

This has to be one of the most fun stories i've ever read on steam oh good lawd.

Just stop complaining, i know its hard as a fellow dutchman as it is in our nature, but bro you've outdone us all. Thread made me so ashamed of sharing a country that i moved up north. Ha det bra :)

maybe have the intelligence to understand that they derail everything and replay on something the made up from the things I've said, and replied to that. this shouldn't have been anything if they just replied on exactly what my problem was and accepted that their non solution was a not a solution for everyone.

everything else after that is just out of line. so horrible people in general. and yes I'm confront-able enough to tell these people off.

most people just quit the game and don't even bother with this, because of the toxicity of the members etc. ( you can see this in the achievement drop off as well , it's horrible compared to other games and worse with games in the same genre )

now on to you personally, even more nonesense involving the situation. our nationality has nothing to do with the discussion. je kan je nationalisme terug in je kont steken.

everything you just add to the conversation to be facetious or mocking nature is horrible by default.

so maybe you should get some basic education in communication:

communication :

someone has information -> you try to listen to that information -> you react to that information.

what communication isn't :

someone has information -> you don't give a single F make something up in your head what that person thinks of says -> respond to your own mind boggling fantasies.

what it also isn't:

someone has information -> you don't give a single F make something up in your head what that person thinks of says add some useless information like nationality and how it personally makes you feel -> respond to your own mind boggling fantasies with added flair.

[Chaoslink]

And the best part, the OP is going to double down on what they say in the above comment, but won’t take any of that “advice” themselves and will hypocritically violate those same things themselves. It’s happened multiple times in this thread. Basically, the OP can’t be wrong but everyone else is. Funny thing that, because in cases where everyone is wrong, it’s more common that they’re all right and the one person is in the wrong. At that point it’s just basic statistics.

[Ank Myrandor]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

And the best part, the OP is going to double down on what they say in the above comment, but won’t take any of that “advice” themselves and will hypocritically violate those same things themselves. It’s happened multiple times in this thread. Basically, the OP can’t be wrong but everyone else is. Funny thing that, because in cases where everyone is wrong, it’s more common that they’re all right and the one person is in the wrong. At that point it’s just basic statistics.

again, me saying your non solution isn't everyone else is wrong. as you made that also up in your own mind, this is exactly what I'm talking about, making stuff up in your own convoluted web of thoughts. keep thinking what you are thinking, I'll just ignore you again.

keep being toxic. everyone else can make up their own minds about this thread, no one needs you to make a judgement about it.

[Athos42]

A lesson I learned in the long winding tunnels of the Mines of Moria is that one should never go unprepared. Always have a bit of coal, wood, stone, five iron ingots and three black diamonds with you so you are never more than 20 seconds away from your main base.

An easy way to get back up from the Crystal Decent is digging into the next area (Lower Deeps), find the first Orc Camp which should not be too far away from the entrance, get the Orcs' attention, kite them away for a while, run back, destroy their totem pole so that the key to the Orc Chest drops, open the chest nearby and grab the two Black Diamonds. Now run back to the broken mapstone in the Crystal Decent, repair it and you are out.

[Ank Myrandor]

Originally posted by Athos42:

A lesson I learned in the long winding tunnels of the Mines of Moria is that one should never go unprepared. Always have a bit of coal, wood, stone, five iron ingots and three black diamonds with you so you are never more than 20 seconds away from your main base.

An easy way to get back up from the Crystal Decent is digging into the next area (Lower Deeps), find the first Orc Camp which should not be too far away from the entrance, get the Orcs' attention, kite them away for a while, run back, destroy their totem pole so that the key to the Orc Chest drops, open the chest nearby and grab the two Black Diamonds. Now run back to the broken mapstone in the Crystal Decent, repair it and you are out.

I had zero problems in the mines of moria, which weren't long imo in my seed. I already knew how to get the black diamonds from the chests from the mines of moria itself.

now if I jumped down on my own volition, I would agree that it was a mistake. but this wasn't, I repaired the "elevator" which wasn't what I expected, so I wanted to check down how far the rope-ladder would go. apparently not far enough, when I tried to head back up I was shot down by the spiders. which is a deliberate trap by the developers, which is my problem. if you make a problem like this, you should offer solutions.

now this is probably due to the generation. but i couldn't find the orcs. which were beyond a shallow ceiling patch of darkness, which I couldn't evade (not with platforms, nor can I sprint in my current physical condition ) therefor I couldn't get the orcs down even after hours trying to find a solution down there.

now everyone can keep on saying I play the game wrong. but that is just toxic behavior.
you personally thank you for the normal reply, but I did already know how i could get out of the situation in theory, get 1 black diamond and/or have enough iron to make a forge and the new pickaxe. neither solutions were viable in 4 hours of trying down there.

I got myself out by generating a new world, and play till the mines of moria. which really shouldn't be the solution to this problem imo.

[Macdallan]

Originally posted by Ank Myrandor:

when I tried to head back up I was shot down by the spiders. which is a deliberate trap by the developers, which is my problem. if you make a problem like this, you should offer solutions.

1. This was not a deliberate trap by the developers. You made mistakes, you paid the price.
2. They didn't make a problem.
3. Even though they didn't make a trap or a problem here there are solutions, plenty of them. These solutions have been explained to you many times in this thread by many different people.

Originally posted by Ank Myrandor:

now everyone can keep on saying I play the game wrong. but that is just toxic behavior.
you personally thank you for the normal reply, but I did already know how i could get out of the situation in theory, get 1 black diamond and/or have enough iron to make a forge and the new pickaxe. neither solutions were viable in 4 hours of trying down there.

I got myself out by generating a new world, and play till the mines of moria. which really shouldn't be the solution to this problem imo.

You aren't playing the game wrong but you did choose to do things the hard way. That's your prerogative but it's not what most of us did when we found ourselves in that situation. We made different, and much easier, choices to deal with that situation.

You chose to try grinding for iron instead of taking one of the much easier options that were available to you and that's not on the developers at all, you need to stop saying it's their fault because it isn't and that's a fact. You wasted 4 hours doing something that wasn't working well instead of taking 10 to 20 minutes to do something else that would have worked.

You did not have to generate a new world to get out of that situation but it was one of the options available to you other than trying to grind for iron. Getting a black diamond by killing orcs was another option but you didn't do that. Building platforms would have been one of the easiest solutions as the materials are easy to gather in that location but you didn't. Dying and respawning above then heading back down with a black diamond was another option but you didn't do that either. You could have asked someone to join your game and bring you a black diamond, or materials for a forge, or a better pickaxe, but you didn't do that. You could have died, respawned above, built a better pickaxe, then headed back down. Instead you chose to grind for iron for 4 hours.