The Lord of the Rings: Return to Moria™

The Lord of the Rings: Return to Moria™

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☧ Voievod 15 DIC 2024 a las 7:36
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Black dwarves in the LotR universe?
Never saw a black dwarf before in the LotR universe. I guess the game is woke.
"we wuz dwarvs an' shiii"

Are the transgender and gay dwarves aswell?
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Wingnut 10 FEB a las 10:30 
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Only because you are looking for racism.

What i care about is faith to the lore of tolkien. Like any great story changing it isnt fair to its origin. Especially for a pretty blatant agenda.
I'm not looking for racism. You're upset about black dwarves existing. "Black dwarves shouldn't exist" sounds racist.
'Black' dwarves shouldnt exist in middle earth for the same reason 'white' people should exist in 'Wakanda'. It is not part of the lore.
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I'm not looking for racism. You're upset about black dwarves existing. "Black dwarves shouldn't exist" sounds racist.
'Black' dwarves shouldnt exist in middle earth for the same reason 'white' people should exist in 'Wakanda'. It is not part of the lore.
I seriously doubt that white people are barred from entrance to wakanda
Wingnut 10 FEB a las 12:24 
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'Black' dwarves shouldnt exist in middle earth for the same reason 'white' people should exist in 'Wakanda'. It is not part of the lore.
I seriously doubt that white people are barred from entrance to wakanda
I didnt mean whether white people are allowed to go to wakanda or not but whether they are from there, ie born as wakanda citizens.
Is wakanda a 'diverse' society? Not that i know of.
Are the nations of middle earth 'diverse' societies? Not according to the lore and why should they be. Its tolkiens story let him tell it they way he wants.
Changing it when he is not here to defend it is disrespectful and cheap.
Última edición por Wingnut; 10 FEB a las 12:34
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I seriously doubt that white people are barred from entrance to wakanda
I didnt mean whether white people are allowed to go to wakanda or not but whether they are from there, ie born as wakanda citizens.
Is wakanda a 'diverse' society? Not that i know of.
Are the nations of middle earth 'diverse' societies? Not according to the lore and why should they be. Its tolkiens story let him tell it they way he wants.
Changing it when he is not here to defend it is disrespectful and cheap.
I seriously doubt he would care.
Wingnut 10 FEB a las 14:03 
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I didnt mean whether white people are allowed to go to wakanda or not but whether they are from there, ie born as wakanda citizens.
Is wakanda a 'diverse' society? Not that i know of.
Are the nations of middle earth 'diverse' societies? Not according to the lore and why should they be. Its tolkiens story let him tell it they way he wants.
Changing it when he is not here to defend it is disrespectful and cheap.
I seriously doubt he would care.
Or maybe hes spinning in his grave.
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I seriously doubt he would care.
Or maybe hes spinning in his grave.
Yeah that's just speculation
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That's funny because your comment is nonconstructive.
By "some people have there eyes wide shut", you mean people who you don't agree with.
Is this a constructive thing to say?
Maybe there's something more constructive that you could contribute to this conversation?

you might figure it one day

How profound
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Lol, so funny how this has gone on for so long.

Are 'black' dwarves lore friendly to middle earth? No. Reason? https://steamcommunity.com/app/2933130/discussions/0/634541868951058599/#c601891467285241658

So what we have here (this game) is a clear case of 'diversity' for the sake of 'inclusivity' and 'equity'. Gee, what group of people have that as their battle cry?
Yeah, but you see, it's not that big of a deal. If there were gay trans illegal immigrant dwarves it would actually be a problem but black? Sure it's not realistic, but I'm sure black people like LOTR and it's not hurting anyone to have black dwarves.


I've already written about why this is issue.
Here's a section from the last part of my comment on this:


"I believe the main question is:
Who's lives are uplifted by the presence of Black dwarves?
Who feels that their culture is being subverted by the presence of Black dwarves?
Who decides which group should be preferenced, and why?"


In my opinion, the group that created the literature / art / media in the first place should be given preference. Is that reasonable to you?
Última edición por Tiananmen Square-Dance; 10 FEB a las 22:05
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I didnt mean whether white people are allowed to go to wakanda or not but whether they are from there, ie born as wakanda citizens.
Is wakanda a 'diverse' society? Not that i know of.
Are the nations of middle earth 'diverse' societies? Not according to the lore and why should they be. Its tolkiens story let him tell it they way he wants.
Changing it when he is not here to defend it is disrespectful and cheap.
I seriously doubt he would care.

I've written about this too.

Here's a copy paste:

"Tolkien would have been justified in opposing what modern liberalism stands for. It deconstructs the culture he grew up in, casts them as a loose collection of individuals, promotes grievance ideology, and gives power to minority elite opinion. The latest batch of games and movies produced by liberals have an absolute lack of sincerity. The Rings of Power, despite having an enormous budget, does not even come close to reflecting the setting, time and place of Tolkien's work. This latest batch of games and movies are still anecdotal, but here's an emerging pattern, that liberals a culturally void."

TLDR:

Tolkien would have opposed modern liberalism.
Modern liberalism deconstructs traditional culture.
It views society as a loose collection of individuals.
It promotes grievance ideology.
It gives power to minority elite opinions.
Recent liberal-produced games and movies lack sincerity.
The Rings of Power fails to reflect Tolkien’s setting and vision despite a large budget.
These media examples are anecdotal but suggest a cultural void in liberalism.

It's safe to say that Tolkien would have reacted poorly to modern liberalism.
Última edición por Tiananmen Square-Dance; 10 FEB a las 22:06
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'Black' dwarves shouldnt exist in middle earth for the same reason 'white' people should exist in 'Wakanda'. It is not part of the lore.
I seriously doubt that white people are barred from entrance to wakanda

Have you seen the Black Panther? It's racial grievance ideology on the big screen. Racial activists themselves speak of how they want environments free from White people, why would you think they would allow White people into Wakanda of all places?

Here's the issue:
Blatant racial grievance ideology from Blacks is acceptable and promoted by elites, where as Whites just simply asking that their culture not be distorted, are treated with ridicule.
Última edición por Tiananmen Square-Dance; 10 FEB a las 22:06
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Thin end of the wedge.
It's only the thin end of the wedge if there's a wedge. There's nothing wrong with black people so I'm not concerned about that. Honestly from my point of view this almost seems like racism because your getting upset because black. If your worried about having 100% accurate lore, don't make a black dwarf.

"if there's a wedge"

The "wedge" that he's referring to is racial activism and racial grievance ideology.
It's the dominant american ideology.

"Black dwarves shouldn't exist sounds racist."

Westerners should not be expected to abandon their culture for any person or any reason.
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Or maybe hes spinning in his grave.
Yeah that's just speculation


There are studies that have been done on WWII veteran opinion on modern culture. The majority of those veterans express that they're very unhappy with the direction their countries have taken.

It's not hard to objectively predict what various groups would think about different issues.
However this is a skill that liberals lack, due to their lack of empathy, close-minded thinking and universalist outlook.

Modern liberal culture is extremely unpopular to most of the Eastern / Southern world today.
It would be absolutely abhorrent to the absolute majority of people who grew up in early 20th century Europe.
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Yeah that's just speculation


There are studies that have been done on WWII veteran opinion on modern culture. The majority of those veterans express that they're very unhappy with the direction their countries have taken.

It's not hard to objectively predict what various groups would think about different issues.
However this is a skill that liberals lack, due to their lack of empathy, close-minded thinking and universalist outlook.

Modern liberal culture is extremely unpopular to most of the Eastern / Southern world today.
It would be absolutely abhorrent to the absolute majority of people who grew up in early 20th century Europe.
Y’all know racism is a real thing right? You do know it’s not just a liberal codeword for things they don’t like?
william_es 11 FEB a las 9:41 
When someone posts 5 replies in a row, they are literally just talking to themselves. Sniffing their own farts.
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There are studies that have been done on WWII veteran opinion on modern culture. The majority of those veterans express that they're very unhappy with the direction their countries have taken.

It's not hard to objectively predict what various groups would think about different issues.
However this is a skill that liberals lack, due to their lack of empathy, close-minded thinking and universalist outlook.

Modern liberal culture is extremely unpopular to most of the Eastern / Southern world today.
It would be absolutely abhorrent to the absolute majority of people who grew up in early 20th century Europe.
Y’all know racism is a real thing right? You do know it’s not just a liberal codeword for things they don’t like?


I thought you wanted small punctual comments so you could have a conversation, but you're still ignoring 90% of what I say.
If an ideology is demanding that people change their culture to fit the ideology, the ideology should change.
Try having a conversation that doesn't rely on liberal buzzwords
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