Black Mirror I

Black Mirror I

gwifa Nov 15, 2015 @ 4:30am
[Spoilery Question; Do Not Read if you are intending to play]
Who killed William Gordon, I feel this has been left very unclear. My guess is Robert?
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Huerguita Jan 12, 2016 @ 1:04pm 
I also think the same. Everything indicates that it was he. There was no other person who has reason to kill William. Surely the fact that disinherit him was what motivated him to commit the murder.
Huerguita Jan 12, 2016 @ 1:06pm 
I have another question: what was the reason for him to experiment with patients in the sanatorium?
Karlmeister Jan 29, 2016 @ 12:37pm 
While it's true that Robert is a madman, I don't think he went so far to commit parricide.

I think Robert was looking for a drug which probably would be used to ... brain control?
NonamemaN Feb 2, 2016 @ 2:59pm 
Originally posted by gryffinstark:
Who killed William Gordon, I feel this has been left very unclear. My guess is Robert?
You wrong.It was Samuel Gordon.Because He had to kill 5 ppl and the 1st one was...guess who?
BushwalkerSP Sep 7, 2016 @ 3:14am 
Originally posted by $erpico.:
Originally posted by gryffinstark:
Who killed William Gordon, I feel this has been left very unclear. My guess is Robert?
You wrong.It was Samuel Gordon.Because He had to kill 5 ppl and the 1st one was...guess who?
My problem with that is that he wasn't in the castle when the murder happened, because somebedy would have seen him coming in.
Aurora Violet Sep 15, 2016 @ 8:27pm 
I've thought about the same thing about William.
With William, he was up in a locked tower with only the window open. Samuel was off wherever he was living at for 12 years, which I assume is *miles* away. But, it's also England, so their version of far away might be like out version of living in an adjacent state. So I would have to think that if it were Samuel, he would have to be in that unconscious frenzy state he gets into at night. As long as he could travel to the manor and back within a night, that can actually be plausible.
Plus, there's also the 5 deaths that $erpico mentioned.
Concerning Robert, I don't think that he would kill his own family. (James aside since he was adopted by William) I think he was just the classic case of a nonethical doctor who malpractices on his patients for the sake of his research. They aren't "real people" to him and thus are the perfect lab rats.
Now my main question after playing this game *so* many times is why Samuel has to kill himself. I mean he already did the ritual, and the curse only seems to effect the male Gordons. He doesn't have a wife or children...

Spoilers if you haven't played Black Mirror 2 and/or 3:
In these games, he does have children. Somehow. With a "dead" wife and kids unknown to all the family. I DO NOT respect the sequels ideals at all, because it was by a different company and I felt like they tried to make more out of it and grasped at straws. So, I'm replaying the original and checking for any kind of plot hole that throws off the sequels. So far I just have the gravestones in the back that were for "suicides" in the sequels but in the original they are too old and worn to be legible. And Cathrin hiding in the west wing just makes me mad. And nobody says anything about it during the entire game? "Oh hi Samuel, you're back. Hey, while you're here for your grandfather's funeral, your lady friend isn't dead. Just really burned."
Musica_Optima Jul 22, 2022 @ 4:20am 
Sorry for writing Here after YEARS, but:

It absolutely was Robert.

He Had the Motive and opportunity. William found Out about the Experiments through James' letter and disinherited Robert.

Williams Key was still its hiding place, so Roberts Claim that the door was locked from the inside is a lie. He probably took Victoria's Key to Lock the door from the outside.

He also wanted to kill James.

The curse is Not bound to Samuel alone, but every Male Gordon including Robert and James. And I dare say that Robert hast a Higher Bodycount than Samuel.

Samuel was the only one to collect the runes, though. And that opened the Black Mirror.
Musica_Optima Jul 22, 2022 @ 4:31am 
Originally posted by Aurora Violet:
Concerning Robert, I don't think that he would kill his own family. (James aside since he was adopted by William)

James was Williams real son. Just Not with Victoria....
Goonecologist Oct 11, 2022 @ 8:17pm 
Originally posted by Aurora Violet:
I've thought about the same thing about William.
With William, he was up in a locked tower with only the window open. Samuel was off wherever he was living at for 12 years, which I assume is *miles* away. But, it's also England, so their version of far away might be like out version of living in an adjacent state. So I would have to think that if it were Samuel, he would have to be in that unconscious frenzy state he gets into at night. As long as he could travel to the manor and back within a night, that can actually be plausible.
Plus, there's also the 5 deaths that $erpico mentioned.
Concerning Robert, I don't think that he would kill his own family. (James aside since he was adopted by William) I think he was just the classic case of a nonethical doctor who malpractices on his patients for the sake of his research. They aren't "real people" to him and thus are the perfect lab rats.
Now my main question after playing this game *so* many times is why Samuel has to kill himself. I mean he already did the ritual, and the curse only seems to effect the male Gordons. He doesn't have a wife or children...

Spoilers if you haven't played Black Mirror 2 and/or 3:
In these games, he does have children. Somehow. With a "dead" wife and kids unknown to all the family. I DO NOT respect the sequels ideals at all, because it was by a different company and I felt like they tried to make more out of it and grasped at straws. So, I'm replaying the original and checking for any kind of plot hole that throws off the sequels. So far I just have the gravestones in the back that were for "suicides" in the sequels but in the original they are too old and worn to be legible. And Cathrin hiding in the west wing just makes me mad. And nobody says anything about it during the entire game? "Oh hi Samuel, you're back. Hey, while you're here for your grandfather's funeral, your lady friend isn't dead. Just really burned."

This is a very old thread to reply to but I have a bigger problem to bring up.

The day Samuel comes back from Wales, he's immediately told a kid died out in the woods by the mine. How though? According to Google, Suffolk where the castle and town are is about 5 hours and 40 minutes from Wales. And depending on how he traveled, this could've taken far longer on train or vehicle or etc. And the game is during the 1980s so I can't imagine there being some kind of super quick way to make it from point A to point B especially when the only vehicle we see is a carriage used by the butler to go to church during the scene where we find out Samuel was the culprit. Plus, let us assume he did make it to Suffolk, killed the kid then came back to Wales...and no one that whole time noticed him just wandering around? I realize it was the dead of night, probably, but that means he ran off at night then killed a child and came right back and somehow just...pulled it off without realizing anything. We don't even get one of those cutscenes of him having bad dreams about his murders so I just don't get how he warped, murdered then got back in time.
Last edited by Goonecologist; Oct 11, 2022 @ 8:18pm
Kastuk May 28, 2023 @ 1:35pm 
I was supposed there's some werevolves and genetical experiments has been.
And boy has been that wolf we shot near mine.
But it has been found by doc, who did mess the body to hide the shot.
Last edited by Kastuk; May 28, 2023 @ 1:37pm
Artemur Jun 17, 2023 @ 2:23pm 
I think the best explanation is that a supernatural force or curse killed William, and when Samuel came to the castle, it possessed him and used his body for further murders.
Ygaro Sep 17, 2023 @ 4:46am 
There is maybe a more or less official (?) answer to that.

Because this game was a huge success in germany, in 2020, the german novel "Black Mirror: The Dark Mirror of the Soul" by author Michael Lippold, based on the game, was published by publisher "Schlosser"-source: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Mirror_(Computerspiel)

You can actual buy it here, but I could not find an english version: https://www.amazon.de/Black-Mirror-dunkle-Spiegel-Seele/dp/3962003800

It tells the same story of the first game, with more details but also slightly changed. Here some extracts, which gives an idea who killed Williams, translated via Google. It also gives evidence that Victoria always knew about all of this, and that was also the reason why she kept hiding Cathrin:

[When Samuel was in Robert's Room, opening the vault, Mordred talked to him in his head:]
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His surroundings are bathed in a red mist.

"You! No!"

Sir William is pushed by Robert and falls into the depths.

"I had to use Robert to bring you back. He wasn't strong enough to do all the deeds you were capable of doing."

[...shows him other deaths...]

"And I was always with you. I directed you. I told you what to do. I made you bring me the souls. I made you fulfill the curse. Only one soul is missing still, so that you can climb into the catacombs and finally free me. MORDRED WILL LIVE AGAIN!"

"I don't want to free you. I want and will end the curse! Just like my grandfather wanted to do!"

"It's too late for that. Only one soul left."

“But haven’t enough people died already?”

"There are NEVER enough. But you don't understand it yet. You saw seven signs, but only four souls were given. Robert had to do his part so that you would come back. I chose you twelve years ago. In you I saw the strength that can resurrect me."

"That still leaves two signs that I saw, even though according to you there were no victims. The last one was when I found the fifth soul key. But otherwise someone always died."

"That's not the case. A person who revealed a mark is still alive. You still need to convert a soul so that you can perform the ritual to bring me back."

[Victoria later:]
"I believe Mordred chose Samuel to be his savior twelve years ago. He sensed that Samuel would be strong enough to complete it. He just had to get him to come back first. His escape had ruined Mordred's plan. And he had to wait for the period of time..."

The brief silence interrupted Jake.

"I've already heard about that time period from Mr. Richmond. Every 200 years, at intervals of twelve years and no more than three cycles. And at the fire twelve years ago, Samuel gave him the first soul..."

"No, he didn't," Victoria interrupted him.
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And since Mordred took over Robert, Robert could not remember, just like Samuel.
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