FF7 rebirth is a waste of time

[BunnyBunny]

FF7 rebirth is a waste of time. it's an empty husk with nothing for players besides a way to waste your time with brainless tasks.

And it's a shame because it has incredible production value but as a media what does it bring ? Nothing !

The story is empty of any meanings or it's buried under tons of useless characters and dialogues. The og was about ecology, identity, exploration... There are none of this in the game because the main goal of the creators of the game was to try fill in the emptiness of this episode 2 to reach an acceptable amount of playing time.

Chadley you say ? Chadley is not about ecology study. It is just the souless computer voice in your ears that dictate you everything you have to do in order to obtain cripto currency to buy the more interesing materia.

The only main theme i see right now is you are indeed prisonner of fate, prisonner of someone that left you lists of meaningless tasks. All the game mechanics became more and more tedious and less and less rewarding. Like the crafting material or summons gathering, in the end you just don't care anymore.

YOu really fell like the game is a list of mandatory elements decided by corporate/game designer that did'nt have the gamers in head. Just like wtf with all the useless shop in the game ? Wtf with those lazy quest design ? When you understand those are just empty promises, you are just left with disappointment and you stop caring.

When squaresoft made ff7 they were Avalanche, they had to make a big boom to save themself from bankruptcy. You really felt like they wanted to tell us something about the modern world. It was a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ critic of big corporation, media/narrative control and human exploitation.
BUt now squareenix is the shinra company and it's everything the og game critics. Squarenix is the big corporation with a spineless top management that try to do weird experiment on gamers to see how much they can extract from them.

I wont finish ff7 rebirth, I doubt I will buy any ff game anymore. IT's well crafted product but this game is just toxic for me. I have better things to do. Good bye Final Fantasy and thx for everything !

[windsea888]

Originally posted by BunnyBunny:

top management that try to do weird experiment on gamers to see how much they can extract from them.
lthis game is just toxic for me. I have better things to do. Good bye Final Fantasy and thx for everything !

You summed it up in one beautiful sentence. For those of us who play mobile games we saw SE doing this "experimentation" for the last decade with predatory gacha games like "record keeper" and "all the bravest" that try to prey on nostalgia to get you to become a pay to win whale in an empty mindless grind.

What they did with "remake"and the surprise whisper ending that turned the game into a lie, felt straight up evil. Like they are now identifying with the villains more than the heroes, exploiting like Shinra and trying to find any repeatable way into your wallet that they can, or impaling the hopes and expectations of an actual return to former FF integrity like Sephiroth with a samurai sword. Just look at what they did with "another chance at an ff7 remake"... The ever crisis aggressively gacha game.

Good on you for sharing your thoughts and good on you for seeing through the BS. They have openly talked about how AI will play a bigger role in their company. It's like Chadley is a foretaste of their AI gaming models to come. A whole lot of pretty pixels to get you spending money on an empty product with no meaning or value behind its "updated" story

[Valdo82]

Originally posted by BunnyBunny:

FF7 rebirth is a waste of time. it's an empty husk with nothing for players besides a way to waste your time with brainless tasks.

And it's a shame because it has incredible production value but as a media what does it bring ? Nothing !

The story is empty of any meanings or it's buried under tons of useless characters and dialogues. The og was about ecology, identity, exploration... There are none of this in the game because the main goal of the creators of the game was to try fill in the emptiness of this episode 2 to reach an acceptable amount of playing time.

Chadley you say ? Chadley is not about ecology study. It is just the souless computer voice in your ears that dictate you everything you have to do in order to obtain cripto currency to buy the more interesing materia.

The only main theme i see right now is you are indeed prisonner of fate, prisonner of someone that left you lists of meaningless tasks. All the game mechanics became more and more tedious and less and less rewarding. Like the crafting material or summons gathering, in the end you just don't care anymore.

YOu really fell like the game is a list of mandatory elements decided by corporate/game designer that did'nt have the gamers in head. Just like wtf with all the useless shop in the game ? Wtf with those lazy quest design ? When you understand those are just empty promises, you are just left with disappointment and you stop caring.

When squaresoft made ff7 they were Avalanche, they had to make a big boom to save themself from bankruptcy. You really felt like they wanted to tell us something about the modern world. It was a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ critic of big corporation, media/narrative control and human exploitation.
BUt now squareenix is the shinra company and it's everything the og game critics. Squarenix is the big corporation with a spineless top management that try to do weird experiment on gamers to see how much they can extract from them.

I wont finish ff7 rebirth, I doubt I will buy any ff game anymore. IT's well crafted product but this game is just toxic for me. I have better things to do. Good bye Final Fantasy and thx for everything !

Dude, you got so much wrong it is not even worth the jester award...FF7 wasn't about bankruptcy, it was about expanding to the western market. FF5 and FF6 both did incredible well in Japan.

[windsea888]

Youre taking the one thing he said incorrectly and ignoring the rest of his post. He is confusing the timing of Square's bankruptcy, but his points about their modern gaming strategy and their anti consumer practices are spot on.

The saddest thing about this reboot is not simply that they have become a predatory publisher, but that they are trying to lead the next generation of gamers to think that these mindless games are what the original series was about.

[Tiberius]

Originally posted by BunnyBunny:

. You really felt like they wanted to tell us something about the modern world. It was a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ critic of big corporation, media/narrative control and human exploitation.

You dont see this in ff7 remake? I thought they made it super obvious with the whole shinra propaganda and the news that depict avalanche as terrorist.


The whole cosmo canyon chapter is abt how nature is often treated as a highly commercialised product for the wealthy, but also how even those genuine places that do care for the environment have to commercialise themselves into the tourist industry as this is the only way they can survive in the modern world.

Does everything need to be spoonfed for ppl to understand the underlying msg?

[sajmon]

Originally posted by Tiberius:

Originally posted by BunnyBunny:

. You really felt like they wanted to tell us something about the modern world. It was a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ critic of big corporation, media/narrative control and human exploitation.

You dont see this in ff7 remake? I thought they made it super obvious with the whole shinra propaganda and the news that depict avalanche as terrorist.


The whole cosmo canyon chapter is abt how nature is often treated as a highly commercialised product for the wealthy, but also how even those genuine places that do care for the environment have to commercialise themselves into the tourist industry as this is the only way they can survive in the modern world.

Does everything need to be spoonfed for ppl to understand the underlying msg?

Message is lying under all the garbage you need to sift through before you can see it. And a lot of people wont care at that point

[windsea888]

What you call the "underlying message" is actually the dressing on top of the real core message of "remake" and "rebirth"

The Trojan horse that slips in the army

[AmourAngels]

Not going to give you any trophy

[Nealtendo64]

Got about halfway through FF7RB and just couldn't do it anymore, then, Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 happened. Side by side there is no comparison. I will not be returning to finish FF7RB because its just not fun. It feels like a lot of exhaustive work that just happens to be beautiful to stare at. Like a hot wife who nags to much. Whereas in KCD2, the game literally makes you get a job and go to work...but its actually FUN and you get to shag the bath-maids!

[BunnyBunny]

Originally posted by sajmon:

Originally posted by Tiberius:

You dont see this in ff7 remake? I thought they made it super obvious with the whole shinra propaganda and the news that depict avalanche as terrorist.

There are no critics of corporation in new ff7. There are vilains laughing and making speech on giant hologram, but that's no societal commentary... Most of shinra employes seems actually quite sympathic and relatable (examples : shinra employes harassed by Barett, or shinra soldier, especially squad 7) Even for Jessie's dad, it's hard to sympathize because he actually lives in the high city.

You actually have a long sequence when you have to walk through the consequence of the first bombing.

The most evil peoples in shinra are in fact architects that build every part of the city like a labyrinths

[This PC]

You're only a prisoner of your own expectations, and your need to check every boxes.

[Thanous]

Lots of people said this when it came out on Ps5 last year, dont know why any of you are suprised

[BunnyBunny]

Originally posted by This PC:

You're only a prisoner of your own expectations, and your need to check every boxes.

I played Divinity2 and disco elysium with no expectations and they both checked every boxes I didn't even know i wanted to be checked. i wasn't expecting ff7rb to be so mediocre despite such presentation.

Originally posted by Thanous:

Lots of people said this when it came out on Ps5 last year, dont know why any of you are suprised

I tried to avoid spoilers... But my bad

[Time Traveler]

"I would not finish it here or there.
I would not finish it anywhere.
I will not to finish Rebirth, you see.
Sony, Sony, just let me be!"

[Diabolical Taco]

All games are a waste of time....kinda like sifting through this so-called debate.

[This PC]

Originally posted by BunnyBunny:

I played Divinity2 and disco elysium with no expectations and they both checked every boxes I didn't even know i wanted to be checked. i wasn't expecting ff7rb to be so mediocre despite such presentation.

loved divinity 2, but it didn't check all my boxes.
rebirth checks all my boxes and more.

not saying d:os2 isn't a good game at all here, it's amazing, and I have not said rebirth is perfect. Just making a point.