Disaster on steam deck

[Squiggle Cheeks]

I am using the 512gb steam deck model with a westrrn digital black 2TB SSD installed. First game looks crystal clear and runs like a champ.

This game looks like it was made on the same graphics engine as Final Fantasy 12 on the ps2 and runs choppy and slow even on the lowest settings. And that's just around town. Not even in battle or in the open world. What am i missing here?

[CJM]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Squiggle Cheeks:

What am i missing here?

FFVII Remake was an 8th Gen, PS4 release. FFVII Rebirth is a 9th Gen PS5 release.

The Steam Deck more closely matches the 8th Gen PS4. Though, I personally find it works best as a portable 7th Gen XBox 360.

[Evilphd]

It's the 8GB VRAM. If the deck had 12GB it would probably perform better. Miles Morales plays very well on it. But this game is far more detailed and probably a different engine. Maybe the mod squad can eventually improve it.

[P0RTAL]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Evilphd:

It's the 8GB VRAM. If the deck had 12GB it would probably perform better. Miles Morales plays very well on it. But this game is far more detailed and probably a different engine. Maybe the mod squad can eventually improve it.

deck has 16gb vram/ram unified.

memory is not the limitation, bit the SOC its like a PS4 for 720p

[Squiggle Cheeks]

You would think a worse looking game would run smoother. But it's a step back in every way. Just wandering around town, it looks and runs like crap. That big update did nothing to improve it either.

[Squiggle Cheeks]

My steam deck is a 512gb model but the 512gb ssd was changed out for a 2tb WD Black. Shouldn't matter though. Like i said, the first game looks way better and runs like a champ.

[CJM]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Squiggle Cheeks:

You would think a worse looking game would run smoother. But it's a step back in every way. Just wandering around town, it looks and runs like crap. That big update did nothing to improve it either.

A paradox of performance scaling.

Games that are scaled beyond a generation, tend to look worse. However, with generation appropriate hardware, like the RTX 4090 and higher, it is supposed to look better.

[P0RTAL]

remake is much less demanding than rebirth even both are UE4 games. Its just an assets loading thing, this one is PS5 only, so you need a SSD, remake on ps4 ran just with HDD ( poorly)

Steam deck runs fine rebith but its not optimized well enough for that platform, i use steam deck with rebirth for cards , mini games, light stuff, for story, or cities, better be off that thing lol

[Shock_&_Awe]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Squiggle Cheeks:

My steam deck is a 512gb model but the 512gb ssd was changed out for a 2tb WD Black. Shouldn't matter though. Like i said, the first game looks way better and runs like a champ.

They (Remake and Rebirth) have different hardware requirements. It's that simple.

[Squiggle Cheeks]

Ursprungligen skrivet av CJM:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Squiggle Cheeks:

You would think a worse looking game would run smoother. But it's a step back in every way. Just wandering around town, it looks and runs like crap. That big update did nothing to improve it either.

A paradox of performance scaling.

Games that are scaled beyond a generation, tend to look worse. However, with generation appropriate hardware, like the RTX 4090 and higher, it is supposed to look better.

Weird. I guess paradox is right.
Which begs the next question. Why did they give this a green check for steam deck. Seems like it deserves a yellow at most.

[CJM]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Squiggle Cheeks:

Which begs the next question. Why did they give this a freen check for steam deck. Seems like it deserves a yellow at most.

I'm wondering the same.

ProtonDB is a mixed bag:
https://www.protondb.com/app/2909400?device=steamDeck

I've pretty much given up on the green check as being any reasonable/sensible indicator for the Steam Deck itself. I use it as a barometer for my MinisForum Neptune, with an RX 6600M (8GB) GPU, 32GB of RAM, and an 8-Core 4.4 GHz CPU.

[ShadowSkill11]

What? You don't understand some games run better on superior hardware than others? The good news its a Steam Deck, just stream it using GeForce Now or something instead.

[Squiggle Cheeks]

Ursprungligen skrivet av CJM:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Squiggle Cheeks:

Which begs the next question. Why did they give this a freen check for steam deck. Seems like it deserves a yellow at most.

I'm wondering the same.

ProtonDB is a mixed bag:
https://www.protondb.com/app/2909400?device=steamDeck

I've pretty much given up on the green check as being any reasonable/sensible indicator for the Steam Deck itself. I use it as a barometer for my MinisForum Neptune, with an RX 6600M (8GB) GPU, 32GB of RAM, and an 8-Core 4.4 GHz CPU.

Lol. Yeah really. Meanwhile Dead or Alive 6, Resident Evil 5 and Digfight 1942 run flawlessly but is listed as incompatible.
I figured the problem is only with compatible games listed as incompatible. With overlooked updates and post-testing changes to proton and the like being the chief culprit and green mark = someone actually tested and made sure of it. But I guess you can't trust any part of it.

[valium]

If a game requires switching to an experimental proton version, it is not rated as verified. FF7 Rebirth works right out of the box on the Deck. The fact it is not up to the standard of a high end PC does not matter when it comes to meeting the verified status, nor should it.

[CJM]

Ursprungligen skrivet av valium:

The fact it is not up to the standard of a high end PC does not matter when it comes to meeting the verified status, nor should it.

Spoken like a console gamer, not a PC gamer.

"The standard of a high end PC" is a confusion of the argument. PCs are configurable. If you want something done right, do it yourself. If PCs below the high end cannot be configured to achieve minimum standards, then the game is not going to be well received.

A Verified status is of no use to the consumer if the performance or quality is not up to the minimal standards. If you're not going to enjoy the game, then why waste the money on the purchase.

[Squiggle Cheeks]

Ursprungligen skrivet av CJM:

Ursprungligen skrivet av valium:

The fact it is not up to the standard of a high end PC does not matter when it comes to meeting the verified status, nor should it.

Spoken like a console gamer, not a PC gamer.

"The standard of a high end PC" is a confusion of the argument. PCs are configurable. If you want something done right, do it yourself. If PCs below the high end cannot be configured to achieve minimum standards, then the game is not going to be well received.

A Verified status is of no use to the consumer if the performance or quality is not up to the minimal standards. If you're not going to enjoy the game, then why waste the money on the purchase.

Being a steam deck user, i don't expect things to be great and i often lower performance on purpose. Tried this with rebirth in fact. Playability at low performance is fine. I get it. But everything being bad at the same time on the lowest settings for a deck verified game. Especially when there's nothing special in game to justify it.