cringe ass fanfic writing

[Kana]

so like cloud and zack get sucked into an alternate dimension to fight sephiroth in a super le epic fight. this ♥♥♥♥ is like some fanfic some idiot wrote in a myspace blog back in the early 2000s

[This PC]

Opprinnelig skrevet av windsea888:

Lol what? He did not write ff7. Ff7 was a collaboration. So many lies

He did actually write FF7, he was part of that collaboration. ;p

[windsea888]

Take away final fantasy 14 and squares balance sheet for the past decade is a disaster

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Opprinnelig skrevet av babobaka:

How about YOU provide some evidence that Square is doing well instead?

You came up with a claim, I just doubted yours. I didn't even have to provide evidence according to logical standards, but I still did with the stock price, and you agreed. Not sure why you don't anymore.

Doesn't mean anything when a product fails when you develop like, at least a few concurrently and you run one of the two most successful current MMO's atm. You're too focused on single things.

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Opprinnelig skrevet av windsea888:

Take away final fantasy 14 and squares balance sheet for the past decade is a disaster

how do you know this ? See, you keep claiming stuff without proof, and then when I doubt you, you ask me to prove myself. Wtf mate ;D

It's so bad faith, it's almost cliche

[sajmon]

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Opprinnelig skrevet av windsea888:

Take away final fantasy 14 and squares balance sheet for the past decade is a disaster

how do you know this ? See, you keep claiming stuff without proof, and then when I doubt you, you ask me to prove myself. Wtf mate ;D

It's so bad faith, it's almost cliche

idk if you noticed, but you;re replying to two different people

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Opprinnelig skrevet av sajmon:

idk if you noticed, but you;re replying to two different people

I have not, but still, the point applies to both lol. ^^

[babobaka]

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Opprinnelig skrevet av babobaka:

How about YOU provide some evidence that Square is doing well instead?

You came up with a claim, I just doubted yours. I didn't even have to provide evidence according to logical standards, but I still did with the stock price, and you agreed. Not sure why you don't anymore.

Doesn't mean anything when a product fails when you develop like, at least a few concurrently and you run one of the two most successful current MMO's atm. You're too focused on single things.

I am not the one that came up with claim that SE is doing well by any other metric, that was you and you failed to provide any evidence behind your claim.

well at least this time you've provided something. Yes they are doing decently with phone gacha games and MMO, although even that MMO is faltering now with recent news. However, compared to SE's competition, I wouldn't call it doing well.

Also I guess this means you agree that FF series is doing poorly. You've mentioned their MMO, which might have FF names to it, but in terms of other FF game release, I don't see any other argument here. I'll take your silence as agreement that FF series is failing.

[windsea888]

I don't know it for sure but ithat's what seems to be going on based on their discussion of their single player sales, all the failed and shut down projects that cost them a lot of money with little to no return etc, and that FF 14 is very very popular

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Opprinnelig skrevet av babobaka:

I am not the one that came up with claim that SE is doing well by any other metric, that was you and you failed to provide any evidence behind your claim.

You claimed SE isn't doing well.

Opprinnelig skrevet av babobaka:

well at least this time you've provided something. Yes they are doing decently with phone gacha games and MMO, although even that MMO is faltering now with recent news. However, compared to SE's competition, I wouldn't call it doing well.

Reviews mean nothing for a mmo.
Clearly you haven't played FFXIV, it has a very, very, veeeeeeeery loyal playerbase that are veeeeeeeeeeery into their character and baaaaaaarely plays the game. ;p

Opprinnelig skrevet av babobaka:

Also I guess this means you agree that FF series is doing poorly. You've mentioned their MMO, which might have FF names to it, but in terms of other FF game release, I don't see any other argument here. I'll take your silence as agreement that FF series is failing.

I do not agree it's doing poorly, no.
Of course if you imagine things about me that suit you, it's much easier to argue against me.

The only thing you have is "Square said FF16 underperformed", soooo.... don't go setting goalposts for me, you haven't met any. ;p

[Weltall8000]

Opprinnelig skrevet av windsea888:

I don't know it for sure but ithat's what seems to be going on based on their discussion of their single player sales, all the failed and shut down projects that cost them a lot of money with little to no return etc, and that FF 14 is very very popular

Meanwhile, VII Remake sold well and, while we don't have the numbers, Rebirth keeps being cited as a top seller.

You're trying to use their alleged other failures to erroneously make the case that this trilogy is bad.

[windsea888]

Who cares what they said, look at the math of sales vs development and ancillary costs. On some level you feel bad for these guys.. Single player gaming struggles to sell in high numbers unless it's some "masterpiece" like witcher 3, and they have tried to get into multi player gaming multiple times and fail except for this nostalgia bait MMO. Like they are really trying hard but just clueless with common sense half the time

[Painkiller2077]

Opprinnelig skrevet av windsea888:

Who cares what they said, look at the math of sales vs development and ancillary costs. On some level you feel bad for these guys.. Single player gaming struggles to sell in high numbers unless it's some "masterpiece" like witcher 3, and they have tried to get into multi player gaming multiple times and fail except for this nostalgia bait MMO. Like they are really trying hard but just clueless with common sense half the time

"Who needs evidence when I have my flawed view of the world" great argument bro

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Opprinnelig skrevet av windsea888:

Who cares what they said, look at the math of sales vs development and ancillary costs. On some level you feel bad for these guys.. Single player gaming struggles to sell in high numbers unless it's some "masterpiece" like witcher 3, and they have tried to get into multi player gaming multiple times and fail except for this nostalgia bait MMO. Like they are really trying hard but just clueless with common sense half the time

do you have the necessary chops and information to interpret square's financials ?
I'd like you to share them with me, if the numbers point towards your interpretation of it, I'll gladly accept it. I'll take like, actual financial documents from square, not an article or a random quote from a dev.

You know, real data that I can interpret myself. ^^''

[Weltall8000]

Opprinnelig skrevet av windsea888:

Who cares what they said, look at the math of sales vs development and ancillary costs. On some level you feel bad for these guys.. Single player gaming struggles to sell in high numbers unless it's some "masterpiece" like witcher 3, and they have tried to get into multi player gaming multiple times and fail except for this nostalgia bait MMO. Like they are really trying hard but just clueless with common sense half the time

I don't know, you're the ones fixated on how much it sold.

Realizing that Remake's over 7 million figure from a few years ago, is higher than most video games ever sell.

I love how you're taking shots at FFXIV, when it is basically universally considered the top of genre in MMORPGs. And, while we're at it, XI was successful to. Still going after over 20 years.

[babobaka]

Opprinnelig skrevet av This PC:

You claimed SE isn't doing well.

Yes and I've backed up my claims.

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Reviews mean nothing for a mmo.

Clearly you haven't played FFXIV, it has a very, very, veeeeeeeery loyal playerbase that are veeeeeeeeeeery into their character and baaaaaaarely plays the game. ;p

I said news, not reviews. Recent news said active players for FFXIV dipped below 1 million, which is not a good news.

Opprinnelig skrevet av This PC:

I do not agree it's doing poorly, no.
Of course if you imagine things about me that suit you, it's much easier to argue against me.

The only thing you have is "Square said FF16 underperformed", soooo.... don't go setting goalposts for me, you haven't met any. ;p

Well entire thread was about recent FF games not doing well because fan-fic style low quality writing, and you bring up entire SE as a company doing well.

Who is the one that is moving goalpost?