Timeline?

[catsniffer9000]

I'm getting a bit confused with the timeline. There's a flashback when Cloud sleeps at the Haunted Hotel in Gold Saucer. Zak is caring for Cloud and Aerith, Marline is downstairs with Aerith's adopted mum. Avalanche has all been captured other than whatshisface Charlie Sheen bro.
What?
I got the impression from Remake that Aerith's mum had never met Cloud, nor Marline. Where's Barrett in all this flashback too?

[MaChao]

Originally posted by Yílõng Má:

Originally posted by Sevrojin:

the new time line
the original time line
the Criss core alternate timeline.

what are the other 2?

Advent Children timeline and Ever Crisis timeline.

Advent Children isn't a timeline, it's a sequel in the original timeline.
And i haven't spent too much time with Ever Crisis. Wasn't it supposed to be canon to the OG timeline as well?

[Nauct]

Originally Cloud had super bad mako poisoning and Zack is protecting him fighting Shinra outside of Midgar and dies.

The timeline it's showing is one where Zack survives that encounter and carries him back

[dwinters62]

They entered an alternate timeline at the end of Remake. They defied fate when they fought against the whispers before facing Sephiroth.

[Pack 4 Potatoes]

Originally posted by elynnmiller78:

I believe its an alternative reality

It is an alternate reality. Only dead people live in it like Biggs and Zack. It's created at the end of Remake from Aerith's desire to save her friends.

[Scarlet Crusade]

Originally posted by Pack 4 Potatoes:

Originally posted by elynnmiller78:

I believe its an alternative reality

It is an alternate reality. Only dead people live in it like Biggs and Zack. It's created at the end of Remake from Aerith's desire to save her friends.

Except Elmyra and Marlene aren’t dead.

[Sevrojin]

Originally posted by catsniffer9000:

I'm getting a bit confused with the timeline. There's a flashback when Cloud sleeps at the Haunted Hotel in Gold Saucer. Zak is caring for Cloud and Aerith, Marline is downstairs with Aerith's adopted mum. Avalanche has all been captured other than whatshisface Charlie Sheen bro.
What?
I got the impression from Remake that Aerith's mum had never met Cloud, nor Marline. Where's Barrett in all this flashback too?

that was Remakes reality.

Zack and cloud from crisis core came to midgard

rebirth and remake are not in the same reality

[Yarchonis Marfedelom]

Originally posted by MaChao:

Originally posted by Sevrojin:

the new time line
the original time line
the Criss core alternate timeline.

what are the other 2?

I'm just finishing up Gongaga and so far, it's 3 parallels with no indication that more are active.
Unless they're referencing some "Ocarina of Time" shenanigans, where other parallels are implied where "Character X actually died" and such.

There's a theory and based on somethings I believe this is sortof confirmed but the OG games have actually already occurred in another timeline and that the Sephiroth we are dealing with is from the original timeline using the lifestream to come here since the lifestream is omnipotent and has that sortof capability. As such that would technically mean there is the og timeline, the zach timeline, and the new timeline. Someone mentioned there may be a 4th in play but I have no clue.

[Sevrojin]

Originally posted by Yarchonis Marfedelom:

Originally posted by MaChao:

I'm just finishing up Gongaga and so far, it's 3 parallels with no indication that more are active.
Unless they're referencing some "Ocarina of Time" shenanigans, where other parallels are implied where "Character X actually died" and such.

There's a theory and based on somethings I believe this is sortof confirmed but the OG games have actually already occurred in another timeline and that the Sephiroth we are dealing with is from the original timeline using the lifestream to come here since the lifestream is omnipotent and has that sortof capability. As such that would technically mean there is the og timeline, the zach timeline, and the new timeline. Someone mentioned there may be a 4th in play but I have no clue.

oh since then i figure they are
-Remake - where zack and biggs are
-Rebirth - where the game takes place
-Crisis Core - where zack came from
-OG
-Cetra zone (possibly the legit promised land)- cetra people are effecting the timeline. most notable atm is they directly stopped you from talking with Gi Nattack

[MaChao]

Originally posted by Yarchonis Marfedelom:

Originally posted by MaChao:

I'm just finishing up Gongaga and so far, it's 3 parallels with no indication that more are active.
Unless they're referencing some "Ocarina of Time" shenanigans, where other parallels are implied where "Character X actually died" and such.

There's a theory and based on somethings I believe this is sortof confirmed but the OG games have actually already occurred in another timeline and that the Sephiroth we are dealing with is from the original timeline using the lifestream to come here since the lifestream is omnipotent and has that sortof capability. As such that would technically mean there is the og timeline, the zach timeline, and the new timeline. Someone mentioned there may be a 4th in play but I have no clue.

Yup, that's pretty much it.
I usually like to explain it as a "New Game+" for Sephiroth.

[Rhapsody]

"Timeline" seems like the most convenient and well-understood term to use, but it may not be the proper one.

The planet contains all these multiple fates or worlds spiritually. Sephiroth's state of existence in Advent Children is capable of influencing the whole planet, and may be the underlying factor of why all of this fate-twisting is happening, but the true catalysts to the events of Remake continuity are 1) Aerith granting others the power to see Whispers (which seems to extend spiritually as well as physically, as we can see with Rufus and Cissnei), and 2) Cloud's group effectively undoing predestined fate at the end of the first game, allowing Sephiroth to partially seize control over fate as it is spiritually contained by the planet.

The same thing happens again at the end of Rebirth when Cloud gains passage through the wall of Whispers blocking the group from reaching Aerith in time. To me the end result seems to be two fates crossing over, with Cloud living one where he saved Aerith and the other where Aerith dies as in the original game, but it could also be that Cloud is just hallucinating her being alive because that's what Cloud does best. We're not shown whether he is still in possession of black materia or white materia from perspectives of anyone but Cloud, but this is something to keep in mind for the final game.

[AlSemz™]

Its will be explained later in the game... Remember Cloud lost his memory so the flahses are his memories coming back to him. The flashbacks are 5 years ago. The holes will be filled in like chapter 10 or 11. Im not going to spoil it.

[Yílõng Má]

Originally posted by Sevrojin:

Originally posted by Yarchonis Marfedelom:

There's a theory and based on somethings I believe this is sortof confirmed but the OG games have actually already occurred in another timeline and that the Sephiroth we are dealing with is from the original timeline using the lifestream to come here since the lifestream is omnipotent and has that sortof capability. As such that would technically mean there is the og timeline, the zach timeline, and the new timeline. Someone mentioned there may be a 4th in play but I have no clue.

oh since then i figure they are
-Remake - where zack and biggs are
-Rebirth - where the game takes place
-Crisis Core - where zack came from
-OG
-Cetra zone (possibly the legit promised land)- cetra people are effecting the timeline. most notable atm is they directly stopped you from talking with Gi Nattack

Rebirth timeline is the continuation of Remake timeline.

No one was injured in Remake when Sector 7 plate dropped.

Zack timeline in this game IMO is a purgatory,

[Sevrojin]

Originally posted by Yílõng Má:

Originally posted by Sevrojin:

oh since then i figure they are
-Remake - where zack and biggs are
-Rebirth - where the game takes place
-Crisis Core - where zack came from
-OG
-Cetra zone (possibly the legit promised land)- cetra people are effecting the timeline. most notable atm is they directly stopped you from talking with Gi Nattack

Rebirth timeline is the continuation of Remake timeline.

No one was injured in Remake when Sector 7 plate dropped.

Zack timeline in this game IMO is a purgatory,

not what i got.

when you fight sephiroth you break fate making a new branch. thts why that old world is called the world that chose death.

and according to the end of the game it very VERY much is a world. one bound to be quickly consumed into the greater whole. ie that weird galaxcy of lights when you fight sephiroth.

true reality is where you fight sephiroth at the end of the game

the world is a confluence of magic. where worlds are born and dissipate.

[IL_Davu]

Do you know the Shinra Stamp mascot?

If you look closely in the different "worlds", you'll see the Shinra mascot represented by various breeds.

For example, in the remake part, it's the Beagle breed, then there's the Fox-like one (the one with Zack), etc. Unfortunately, I finished the game, and I must say they didn't mention it (I thought they would), but there's something related to this that becomes clear only in the the next game .

Is there anything specific you'd like to discuss about the game or its storyline?
( There was nothing like that in the original FFVII, but things related to it were mentioned and explained in the third disc)

[paxtheconfused]

While i'm mostly on your side i do have to correct this, there is an undefined number of timelines, but according to the story at the end of FF7 rebirth there are probably 7 timelines.

Ultimate timeline is OG FF7 (1)

1: Aerith travels the lifestream (past present and future) to battle sephiroth along the lifestream. Her "death" in OG is a joining with the lifestream, just like spehiroth did in the temple.
2:Terrier stamp (zach world)
3:Pug stamp (zach world)
4:Shiba stamp(zach world)
5:Spitz stamp (zach world)
2-5 cloud and aerith are unconscious, however in 4, Ultimate Aerith and Cloud from the FF7R series, enter the unconscious bodies of their world 4 counterparts. This is where aerith gives the white materia to cloud

6:FF7R series main timeline, Beagle stamp
6 is split into 2 timelines, white materia and clear materia.



Now this could be changed with the final chapter, but there are currently at least 6 or 7 timelines in play by the end of rebirth.


Stamp is the corporate mascot of Shinra. The different mascots are different timelines, this was explained in FF7 Remake and confirmed by Kitase. In each of the cutscenes ytou can determine timeline by the stamp mascot in the scene.
No the split at the end of FF7R series is not a rejoining of the timeline they were severed from at the end of remake.

Remake is sephiroth using his influence on the lifestream to effect the world and change fate. That's why the whispers fought so hard to keep timeline intact and why, at the end, echos of the OG ff7 heroes are the enemy the whispers use to try to keep fate on its proper course.

As far as this "fanfiction" allegation, you would have to be REALLY stupid to call Kitase's FF7 writing "fanfiction" because, as Sakaguchi has stated many times over the years about FF7, Kitase practically wrote the entire story and created all the lore alone for the original FF7. This entire work is his creation.

Two comments i made about the timeline in another thread to help people follow some of the cannon