Dyne.. Censorship. <spoiler>

[Pixie]

Just finished the Dyne part. What shocking censorship. I see people complain about Tifa. This is far more grevious censorship than that. Dyne is meant to jump off a cliff. Instead they magic up some Shinra soldiers to shoot at him so he still dies, just not by suicide. This is why Square lost it's edge. ♥♥♥♥ the Disney-fication of Squaresoft.

[Eastgrove]

OG Dyne was the ruler of Corel Prison. his own personal hell. When he returned to the town with a broken leg, and found everything destroyed and everyone dead, unlike other survivors, he refused to leave. As if living among the destruction caused by his mistake serves as his penance and atonement.

Like other characters in the game, he can't let go of the past.

[Valdo82]

Originally posted by Eastgrove:

Killing someone is a show of dominance. Men aren't allowed to dominate women. This harkens back to the old "women in fridges" complaint. Killing female characters for the sake of shock value and "man pain" is unacceptable. What's more, female characters have to go out on their own terms. They can't simply be bested by a man. This is all about "empowering them", that they face death in a dignified way free of humiliation.

Killing someone is a sign of weakness, there is nothing virtous about killing. You really need to understand that your imaginative videogame world you live in, has nothing to do with actual real life values. FF7 is set in the early 2000 - our time line - our values where killing is no show of dominance but again weakness.

[windsea888]

Trying to claim the ending is supposed to be confusing to reinforce "Cloud as an unreliable narrator" ... cloud is not the narrator of ff7. The only time he narrates is in the flashback. Trying to say he is the narrator during Aeris scene is nonsensical. They cannot hide behind "it's edgy multiverse cinematography"

Yes, the point is to make you confused. But not in order to make you understand the character of Cloud better. The purpose is to make you confused so that this story, Aeris's character, her sacrifice don't mean what they meant to you. It is to destroy the meaning of the original. Fans picked up on that loud and clear and that's why this ending is so hated. It's not a clever device--it is, just like "remake"'s ending, an intentional desecration and nullification of the original games meaning, stakes, themes, and characters.

So what we are left with is multiverse cliffhanger, wait 3-4 years for the next entry where we've kicked the can down the road again. Lot of people saying, no thanks.

[dgresevfan]

Huh? Why do I not remember him attempting suicide in the original? I do remember him dangling off a cliff with Barret trying to pull him back up, and then some Shinra guys shooting Barret's arm.

[Elodain]

He went out in a blaze of glory against the people that stole everything from him. Protecting his best friend when he was vulnerable (no gun) DESPITE the strong feelings of Anger he has towards Barret.

Hardly see how this is a problem, but I get it, people will look for any reason to ♥♥♥♥ on this game and pathetic basement dwellers looking for some free profile skins will say anything to farm jester awards.

[Eastgrove]

Originally posted by dgresevfan:

Huh? Why do I not remember him attempting suicide in the original? I do remember him dangling off a cliff with Barret trying to pull him back up, and then some Shinra guys shooting Barret's arm.

That was a flashback to the day Corel was destroyed. Barret and Dyne lost their hands to the same bullet, causing Dyne to fall. Barret lost his right hand, Dyne lost his left. The fall crippled Dyne, breaking his leg, and giving him a permanent limp. Even so he still dragged himself back to town, finding it in ruins and just about everyone dead.

Barret was able to leave Corel with Marlene in his arms, while Dyne stayed among the ashes.

Reading between the lines, Barret's known Dyne was alive since the day he got the gunarm grafted to him. Instead of searching for his lost friend, Barret chose to pursue his revenge against Shinra. He was given a second chance to save him, but he passed it up to sate his anger.

In Corel Prison, he's given a 3rd chance, but it's too late. Dyne's seen too much, and done too many things. He's lost faith in humanity. More than that, he'd kill everyone if he could. Barret won't kill him though, so Dyne does it himself.

This is the final push to make Barret mend his ways. Barret might have thought saving Dyne would start to make up for things, but things weren't going to be that easy for him.

[Djsstorm]

So getting shot by a storm of bullets over and over is censored compared to him jumping off a cliff into the darkness below? If anything it is more violent this way.

[HarkeN]

I definitely prefer the way it was handled in the original. I was not a fan of the deus ex machina Shinra troops, I felt it made more sense and was more impactful to begin with.

This was maybe the first time there had been a change in Rebirth that took me out of it. Everything up to this point was mostly fine to me, but seeing how this was mishandled and especially right into Palmer comic relief afterwards, it just felt the emotional weight was poorly handled.

[windsea888]

It is because they are now aiming at an audience that they seem to think wants everything Disneyfied

[techwolves]

Originally posted by HarkeN:

I definitely prefer the way it was handled in the original. I was not a fan of the deus ex machina Shinra troops, I felt it made more sense and was more impactful to begin with.

This was maybe the first time there had been a change in Rebirth that took me out of it. Everything up to this point was mostly fine to me, but seeing how this was mishandled and especially right into Palmer comic relief afterwards, it just felt the emotional weight was poorly handled.

Again dynes scene wasn’t censored the palmar crap I agree not worth it but dynes scene hit harder and the cliff fall was done in a flashback

[Eastgrove]

Originally posted by techwolves:

Again dynes scene wasn’t censored the palmar crap I agree not worth it but dynes scene hit harder and the cliff fall was done in a flashback

Dyne kills himself in the OG by falling back into an abyss. It's an important moment where Barret is denied catharsis for his own crimes. He can't save Dyne and pretend he's making amends anymore.

[Arma]

Originally posted by Eastgrove:

Originally posted by techwolves:

Again dynes scene wasn’t censored the palmar crap I agree not worth it but dynes scene hit harder and the cliff fall was done in a flashback

Dyne kills himself in the OG by falling back into an abyss. It's an important moment where Barret is denied catharsis for his own crimes. He can't save Dyne and pretend he's making amends anymore.

I mean that still kinda happens where Dyne tells him to basically live with the guilt ect. Also accusing him of stealing his daughter ect. Pretty damn harsh I think most people would be traumatised by such events especially after seeing a friend you thought was dead for years.

[Eastgrove]

Originally posted by Arma:

Originally posted by Eastgrove:

Dyne kills himself in the OG by falling back into an abyss. It's an important moment where Barret is denied catharsis for his own crimes. He can't save Dyne and pretend he's making amends anymore.

I mean that still kinda happens where Dyne tells him to basically live with the guilt ect. Also accusing him of stealing his daughter ect. Pretty damn harsh I think most people would be traumatised by such events especially after seeing a friend you thought was dead for years.

Barret has nothing to feel guilty for.

[Arma]

Originally posted by Eastgrove:

Originally posted by Arma:

I mean that still kinda happens where Dyne tells him to basically live with the guilt ect. Also accusing him of stealing his daughter ect. Pretty damn harsh I think most people would be traumatised by such events especially after seeing a friend you thought was dead for years.

Barret has nothing to feel guilty for.

Tell that to him lol. He feels guilty because he's the one who pushed for the reactor to be built. Then what happens? It blows up and the village is burned to the ground and almost everyone killed including his partner and his best friend, he barely survives and saves his friend's daughter.

Then on top of that he finds his friend years later who is basically insane gone on killing sprees only to be told to his face that he's stolen his friend's daughter THEN watching his friend die who basically tells him to live with the guilt (of everything I just mentioned)

Would be like you saying to your friend "Oh yeah you can leave the heater on overnight" then his house burns down his wife dies in the fire. You telling me you aren't gonna feel like that's your fault?????

[windsea888]

Barrett made grave mistakes. But with genuine repentance comes forgiveness and redemption.