There are far to many mini games.

[The_Late_Shift]

Costa Del Sol and Golden saucer are so close together I dont even want to play through it. Queens blood being forced so you interact with a new character that I honestly could not care less about. Wish you could skip it,

[Low Moral Fibre]

I finished it on PS5 and 90% of the content is sub Ubisoft level filler.

Mainline the story and it's a much better experience. Even then there is tons of time wasting - slow walking, filler dialogue etc.

[No.1 MHA gooner]

I feel like I'm playing Genshin impact

[The Ultimate Despair]

Originalmente postado por Metadragon:

Originalmente postado por The Ultimate Despair:

Yet none of them are MANDATORY, that is the whole point here.
Of course they will reward the players with good items for engaging with content.
I swear that ya'll complain for every single reason imaginable.
If they gave out sub par items instead, you'd complain about that too. Devs can never win with how whiny you people are.

FF16 had no minigames -> Its a boring hallway game
FF7R3 has lots of optional minigames -> its such a slog

Like Zelda fans, "fans" dont even know what they want. Best to ignore them, it is like the same 20 dudes bitterly repeating stuff here. Everyone else is just playing the game.

100%.
It's just a really ungrateful era really.

[EricMcLovin]

some of the are really good, some of them really frustrating, but that only matters for 100% completion, and a few of them have materias and weapons to unlock(but you can get all of them later in weapon or materia shops) so it's not that important


and then there's Queen's Blood which managed to top GWENT for me(but i understand who thinks otherwise, GWENT is also insanely good)

i'm going to waste my braincells in this card game, i'm sure of it, the three matches I played aren't enough yet, need more cards to improvise something crazy

[Pacino]

Originalmente postado por The Ultimate Despair:

Originalmente postado por Metadragon:

FF16 had no minigames -> Its a boring hallway game
FF7R3 has lots of optional minigames -> its such a slog

Like Zelda fans, "fans" dont even know what they want. Best to ignore them, it is like the same 20 dudes bitterly repeating stuff here. Everyone else is just playing the game.

100%.
It's just a really ungrateful era really.

A strawman is only as difficult as you make it for yourself and it's hardly a challenge when you completely omit any of the actual reasoning that's been made. Okay, let's use Costa Del Sol as an example. In OG FFVII you get off the ship, talk to some NPCs, watch a cut scene and then you move on. Whereas in Rebirth you get off the boat, look for the hotel, get told it's booked up and to look elsewhere, then you find another hotel and get told the same thing, then have a goofy side character make you go to his hotel before enduring pointless cut scenes complaining about the showers before being made to complete at least one mini game before you can even get to the beach. So what exactly did Rebirth add of value in this example that it was necessary to prolong this segment? Are we saying that needlessly ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ the player about is immersive and that added time equates to added value no matter the means? And this is one example, the game constantly does this. So did Remake.

The issue isn't that fans don't know what they want, the issue is that there's fans that do know what they want but it's not what you want. Which is fine, if you're happy then there's no reason for you to care about what bothers other people. Just don't misrepresent what is being said by comparing the reception of two very different games with their own set of issues.

And to respond to your specific remark... Why does anyone need to be "grateful" when they paid £40+? This isn't a charity, it's a capitalist industry that's worth billions. The "shut up and be grateful" mentality is why we get so much dull, homogenised content.

[McGamer]

Originalmente postado por kiteless 凧無し:

This game is filled to the brim with time wasting filler designed to pad out the game length

Ubisoft inspired garbage

Not really OG had tons of mini games as well.

[Tiberius]

Originalmente postado por Capybarasan:

Originalmente postado por The Who:

Maybe it's just me, but FFVII was released around the time of my childhood.

& we used to love that ♥♥♥♥. The silly distractions along the way that brought a relaxing change of pace after grinding for levels for hours.

You don't remember classic FF7. The mini games in that game were nowhere near as bad as it is in this game and some of them are mandatory. The summon crystal, life stream ponds, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ chadley, seriously ♥♥♥♥ that kid. Then you got Chocobo's digging up stuff in sites that were only built there by the devs purely for chocobo treasure hunting, like what? Why?

This guy said it best.

Originalmente postado por kiteless 凧無し:

This game is filled to the brim with time wasting filler designed to pad out the game length

Ubisoft inspired garbage

Do you?

It's really hillarious how after some ppl pointed out that og ff7 did have plenty of minigames, the conversation shifted from "Minigames used to be non mandatory" to "minigames were not as bad"

Imagine complaining abt few mins of treasure hunting after you wasted tens of hours for golden chocobo breeding in og ff7

Lmao get a load of this guy

[MightyMonte88]

Originalmente postado por The_Late_Shift:

Costa Del Sol and Golden saucer are so close together I dont even want to play through it. Queens blood being forced so you interact with a new character that I honestly could not care less about. Wish you could skip it,

I found fort condor so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ annoying, that after failing to beat the 2nd match of it, i saved the game and satrted playing diablo 4 lol.

I'll jump back on later tonight, but holy ♥♥♥♥ that ♥♥♥♥ is frustrating and annoying.

[Tiberius]

Originalmente postado por CHAO$$$:

Originalmente postado por Tiberius:

How on earth ppl forget abt the snowboarding minigame? Lol

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
the snowboarding minigame was a barely functional 2 minute sequence in a 200+hours game

50% of the content in this game is garbage minigames
all of the open world gameplay is garbage minigame QTE filler, the circle clicking is ripped straight from zenless gacha and the "fill 3 objectives combat" minigame is ripped straight from wuwa gacha (and its not even ripped well - half the time its just go here, combat and pressure + stagger)
dont get me started on the chocobo hide and seek follow the line crap

best bracers in each chapter? locked behind a repetetive boring ass minigame (springs and chocobo hide and seek)

The unique monsters in each region that are quest related? Locked behind "follow the yellow line".

Unlocking Chocobo travel (which you NEED!) in grasslands/junon - stealth minigame.

half the materia in the game? all locked behind minigames
its not some knight of the rounds ♥♥♥♥ where 1 single piece of op materia is locked behind it - HALF OF IT is.

Costa del Sol and grasslands crafting sidequests -> requires open world minigames

Costa del Sol Aerith sidequests - literally nothing but minigame garbage filler

AND THERE IS SOOOO SOOOO MUCH MORE that im not even mentioning.

The entire game is garbage filler so naturally they had to put even more garbage filler in the main quests ala costa del sol.

In case you forgt

Originalmente postado por Iron Reaper:

Originalmente postado por Tiberius:

How on earth ppl forget abt the snowboarding minigame? Lol

idk man, like let’s see mandatory games... push synchronized button game, bike game, cpr game, parade game, chocobo race game, dodge boulders game, archeological dig game, snowboard game, body temp game, timed wind wall game, escape execution game, slap fight game, fort condor game, submarine game… did i miss any?

those are all mandatory in the original 40hr playthrough, there are far less in the 40hr rebirth playthrough.

It's true when they said the only thing ppl remember abt og ff7 is the opening, aerith's shish kebab, and the meteor

[The Ultimate Despair]

Originalmente postado por Pacino:

Originalmente postado por The Ultimate Despair:

100%.
It's just a really ungrateful era really.

A strawman is only as difficult as you make it for yourself and it's hardly a challenge when you completely omit any of the actual reasoning that's been made. Okay, let's use Costa Del Sol as an example. In OG FFVII you get off the ship, talk to some NPCs, watch a cut scene and then you move on. Whereas in Rebirth you get off the boat, look for the hotel, get told it's booked up and to look elsewhere, then you find another hotel and get told the same thing, then have a goofy side character make you go to his hotel before enduring pointless cut scenes complaining about the showers before being made to complete at least one mini game before you can even get to the beach. So what exactly did Rebirth add of value in this example that it was necessary to prolong this segment? Are we saying that needlessly ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ the player about is immersive and that added time equates to added value no matter the means? And this is one example, the game constantly does this. So did Remake.

The issue isn't that fans don't know what they want, the issue is that there's fans that do know what they want but it's not what you want. Which is fine, if you're happy then there's no reason for you to care about what bothers other people. Just don't misrepresent what is being said by comparing the reception of two very different games with their own set of issues.

And to respond to your specific remark... Why does anyone need to be "grateful" when they paid £40+? This isn't a charity, it's a capitalist industry that's worth billions. The "shut up and be grateful" mentality is why we get so much dull, homogenised content.

Oh but you will gladly omit all the times where the OG did not respect your time, will you?
Do you need me to pull up one of my old replies where I listed barely 25% of the entire mandatory mini games in the OG? Cause I will.
Costa Del Sol takes the entirety of 10 minutes to go through the entire mini game segment. It's absolutely harmless.

FF7 fans have been a complete joke for years with their constant whining about how nothing is exactly how they want and say how it was better in the OG when the OG is literally a culprit of the exact same issue, and other worse issues.

The grateful comment absolutely apply. Because no matter what a dev try to do, someone will complain. If they had no mini games, people would whine that in the OG there were and that they were part of the charm. Now the mini games are there, and people are whining there are too many when the only two sections of the game where you really have any form of 'abundance' of them, take like 10 minutes to complete.
So yes, as you people are using your right to whine about it, I am using my right to set the facts straight and say that the mini games WERE in fact in the OG, that they were more present and more immersion breaking due to constantly gating your progress.

People ARE indeed ungrateful, because they are never happy no matter what happens.

[The Ultimate Despair]

Originalmente postado por Tiberius:

Originalmente postado por Capybarasan:

You don't remember classic FF7. The mini games in that game were nowhere near as bad as it is in this game and some of them are mandatory. The summon crystal, life stream ponds, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ chadley, seriously ♥♥♥♥ that kid. Then you got Chocobo's digging up stuff in sites that were only built there by the devs purely for chocobo treasure hunting, like what? Why?

This guy said it best.

Do you?

It's really hillarious how after some ppl pointed out that og ff7 did have plenty of minigames, the conversation shifted from "Minigames used to be non mandatory" to "minigames were not as bad"

Imagine complaining abt few mins of treasure hunting after you wasted tens of hours for golden chocobo breeding in og ff7

Lmao get a load of this guy

The OG FF7 had such an absurd amount of forced mini games that broke the pacing constantly just to have you do pointless 'QTE' moments like timing button presses on a console and ♥♥♥♥, that it ain't even funny anymore.
The OG game is a classic, no doubt, but it has a TON of flaws that people refuse to see because 'sephiroth, Tifa's tits and Aerith'.

[Houstonheart]

Only Fort Condor's progression annoys me.

Card games and all the others are easy.

Condor is a serious pain in the Telii

[Darkclaw3050]

I enjoyed some of the minigames, actually I liked both Fort Condor and Queen's Blood. Still, every time I played through one of those or had to follow another owl to another pond or listen to Chad tell me how great I was, I was reminded how the director kept saying how remaking an old game in today's quality you could never fit it all in one or two games. And I would think, well no not if you want to add in 32 more towers for me to climb.

[UwUdon-Noodles]

Wrong, I love every damn mini game.

Ok ACCEPT for Gears and Gambits.

Queens blood is so GOOD!

[Pacino]

Originalmente postado por The Ultimate Despair:

Originalmente postado por Pacino:

A strawman is only as difficult as you make it for yourself and it's hardly a challenge when you completely omit any of the actual reasoning that's been made. Okay, let's use Costa Del Sol as an example. In OG FFVII you get off the ship, talk to some NPCs, watch a cut scene and then you move on. Whereas in Rebirth you get off the boat, look for the hotel, get told it's booked up and to look elsewhere, then you find another hotel and get told the same thing, then have a goofy side character make you go to his hotel before enduring pointless cut scenes complaining about the showers before being made to complete at least one mini game before you can even get to the beach. So what exactly did Rebirth add of value in this example that it was necessary to prolong this segment? Are we saying that needlessly ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ the player about is immersive and that added time equates to added value no matter the means? And this is one example, the game constantly does this. So did Remake.

The issue isn't that fans don't know what they want, the issue is that there's fans that do know what they want but it's not what you want. Which is fine, if you're happy then there's no reason for you to care about what bothers other people. Just don't misrepresent what is being said by comparing the reception of two very different games with their own set of issues.

And to respond to your specific remark... Why does anyone need to be "grateful" when they paid £40+? This isn't a charity, it's a capitalist industry that's worth billions. The "shut up and be grateful" mentality is why we get so much dull, homogenised content.

Oh but you will gladly omit all the times where the OG did not respect your time, will you?
Do you need me to pull up one of my old replies where I listed barely 25% of the entire mandatory mini games in the OG? Cause I will.
Costa Del Sol takes the entirety of 10 minutes to go through the entire mini game segment. It's absolutely harmless.

FF7 fans have been a complete joke for years with their constant whining about how nothing is exactly how they want and say how it was better in the OG when the OG is literally a culprit of the exact same issue, and other worse issues.

The grateful comment absolutely apply. Because no matter what a dev try to do, someone will complain. If they had no mini games, people would whine that in the OG there were and that they were part of the charm. Now the mini games are there, and people are whining there are too many when the only two sections of the game where you really have any form of 'abundance' of them, take like 10 minutes to complete.
So yes, as you people are using your right to whine about it, I am using my right to set the facts straight and say that the mini games WERE in fact in the OG, that they were more present and more immersion breaking due to constantly gating your progress.

People ARE indeed ungrateful, because they are never happy no matter what happens.

Read and comprehend, then reply to what is ACTUALLY being said. Repeating the same malformed point as infinitum doesn't make it anymore relevant. You haven't refuted a single thing I've said because you've yet to actually address it.

Firstly I clearly stated that my issue is with the level of needless padding. For whatever reason you're hyper focused on the mini games even though when I replied I was specifically pointing out that this ISN'T the main issue in itself. All I said in that regard was that I didn't like the mini games but I also said if people do like them then I respect it. Obviously you're so busy being defensive you're not reading what is actually being said. Hence why I felt the need to mention the strawman argument you're repeatedly employing. Yes OG FFVII had mini games and if you'd bothered to ask I would have told you that I generally thought they were poor, however it gets a pass due to the era in which it was released. In PSX days it was quite novel. However that is all beside the point because my issue is with pacing and padding. I used Costa Del Sol as an example as to how the game drags sections out needlessly in an attempt to pad the run rather than add anything of value. And it takes much longer than "10 minutes", that's an absolute lie and you know it. Cut scenes alone will take that amount of time alone. The original game was about 65 hours on a normal play. This time we have a full length game dedicated to each disc. So yes, there is a ton of pointless padding and busy work that lasts far longer and makes up much more content. This isn't really up for debate, it's a fact. I also said that if you enjoy that padding then that's fine. But I've beaten OG FFVII multiple times over the years and I know which is the most concise experience. And it is NOT remake or rebirth.

So either you didn't bother to read before replying and completely missed the point or... You understood but keep putting words in my mouth because you can't refute what I actually said and want to "win" the argument.

And the "being grateful" monologue is childish, grow up. People on these forums have the right to express what they like and what they don't, that's how a public social format works. Stop assuming that the fan base is a hivemind. This discussion is proof that the fan base doesn't all think alike.