Why did they make this game not want to be played?

[Dragonofdarkness13]

I can run Remake 100% perfectly fine...
So why do I need to spend 600$ to upgrade my Graphics card to play this one?
I just want to play the game I've been waiting for and I'm broke as ♥♥♥♥... WTF is this...

[Melodia]

Remake was made for PS4, Rebirth was made for PS5.

It's as simple as that.

[Xengre]

This game features larger open environments with a lot more assets/high quality that necessitate using mesh shader programming feature. Either use it or downgrade the graphics severely to make it actually function on even high end hardware. It was non-optional. It is like complaining old AMD GPUs lacked good tesselation support or older CPUs that lacked AVX which were necessary technologies introduced to provide substantial performance gains.

It is time to upgrade. You don't have to spend $600 to upgrade, either, by the way...

[Smokey]

I get what OP means though,and from what ive seen there is a way to still play it on GPU"s not supported ( Dont expect good performance ) . It could be a simple toggle for the devs to implement to use this type of shaders or not,same as certain games have a toggle to use Dx11 or Dx12 so to include older gpu's aswell.

And its also a very ♥♥♥♥♥♥ time to upgrade with the prices nowadays and the 5xx series lacking. Im glad I bought my 4070 last year,coming from a 970gtx I owned since 2014 ( And that played FF remake perfectly fine over 100 fps ). But I know that gpu would struggle Hard with rebirths open world setting.

[Xengre]

Originally posted by Smokey:

I get what OP means though,and from what ive seen there is a way to still play it on GPU"s not supported ( Dont expect good performance ) . It could be a simple toggle for the devs to implement to use this type of shaders or not,same as certain games have a toggle to use Dx11 or Dx12 so to include older gpu's aswell.

And its also a very ♥♥♥♥♥♥ time to upgrade with the prices nowadays and the 5xx series lacking. Im glad I bought my 4070 last year,coming from a 970gtx I owned since 2014 ( And that played FF remake perfectly fine over 100 fps ). But I know that gpu would struggle Hard with rebirths open world setting.

The reason the 16xx can is because they actually have the required hardware support, but they didn't get the full DirectX 12 feature support so they're not DX 12 qualified. However, the part they do have offers support for mesh shaders which is why it has such an odd exception.

For fallback support there was only two other games that has currently made Mesh Shaders a requirement, andAlan Wake 2 has a vertex shader pipeline fallback (which is busted, too resulting in even the 1080ti getting 15 FPS regardless of settings).

Alan Wake 2 team did release a patch that eventually improved performance to offer better support for older cards, however... that game has far lighter use of Mesh Shaders compared to Final Fantasy VII Rebirth. Mesh Shaders are to help with efficient management of geometry, essentially a major optimization technique. Alan Wake 2 does not actually have all that much geometry to begin with... In contrast, take somewhere like Kalm... and you may very well have more geometry in that one city than entire massive chunks of Alan Wake 2's game all condensed into a relatively small space that can be freely traversed rather than linearly with large view distances available at times... even before factoring NPCs, interiors, etc. that also compose Kalm's geometry.

Essentially, the game that did get it to work on older GPUs, albeit at subpar performance already, did it merely for optimization where for FFVII Rebirth it was literally make or break the design of the environments / graphics and not merely for just improved performance. Without Mesh Shader support it is likely even a RTX 4090 would struggle in several areas of the game even at lower settings.

One of the reasons other games can get away with this is because they feature far simpler gemoetry, lower quality assets, hyper repetitive reuse of assets, lower density of assets (particularly high quality assets) within an area, often fine controlling how the assets are loaded / view distance available, and a bunch of other techniques depending on the type of game. A lot of that is made very difficult with this game's more advanced environments. This is why games like Witcher 3, Horizon Zero Dawn, GTA V, etc. are extremely dull in their environmental design compared to something like Rebirth despite Rebirth not being a truly fully open world game but more like an open zone linear game.

They could have made it work without mesh shaders but the downgrade to the graphics would have been immense. Further, since the game is much more demanding than Alan Wake 2 even if they provided full fallback support with vertex shader solution it would have still been unplayable and also isn't even worth attempting when less than 2% of Steam's "entire" install base has 10xx series GPUs (anything older shouldn't even be considered for a game like this at this point), and thus a mere tiny fraction of that sub-2% install base buying this game would be even more irrelevant.

I would say this is, ultimately, why they didn't bother just for further insight into the situation.

[Dragonofdarkness13]

Originally posted by Xengre:

It is time to upgrade. You don't have to spend $600 to upgrade, either, by the way...

I know for a fact of my luck... I could find a deal on a GPU and suddenly I'm going to need a new power supply or some other ♥♥♥♥. I can barely scrape together the money I need for bills. I bought this game after saving for it and I literally can't even run it on minimal even with these mods and other tricks to get it to work. So yeah ... I'm going to need to find some way to save up 600$ to either upgrade or just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ buy a console... I hate this...

[Xengre]

Originally posted by Dragonofdarkness13:

Originally posted by Xengre:

It is time to upgrade. You don't have to spend $600 to upgrade, either, by the way...

I know for a fact of my luck... I could find a deal on a GPU and suddenly I'm going to need a new power supply or some other ♥♥♥♥. I can barely scrape together the money I need for bills. I bought this game after saving for it and I literally can't even run it on minimal even with these mods and other tricks to get it to work. So yeah ... I'm going to need to find some way to save up 600$ to either upgrade or just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ buy a console... I hate this...

You can buy a refurbished GPU and get more bang for your buck with lower prices.

As for the power supply you shouldn't need a new one, but at worst you could simply undervolt the GPU to save considerable power and thermal demands while getting most of its performance. Pretty simple, too.

Alternatively, you could just put off this game until you are ready to upgrade and buy it on sale, and possibly episode 3 by then. In the meantime you could play the original game or plenty of other JRPGs in the meantime. Sadly, old technology becoming obsolete as the need for newer is just an unfortunate fact. Interestingly, considering how fast AI rendering is progressing we may very well be progressing towards the final GPU upgrade needed for a very very long time.

If you have a friend who owns it on console that may be another solution, now that I about it. You could see about borrowing the PS5.

EDIT: I see you already played the OG FF7 and some others. If you don't just own, but also haven't played, FF9 that one is very good since you got it. Tales of Arise and some of the other Tales of games are some options to consider, as well as games like Grandia, Chrono Trigger, etc.

[james01]

Same, why do they make this game so demanding, the characters are beautifully designed, there are a lot of details in the game but it still looks plasticky, so graphics demand is for me unreasonable. Also the glare, grr!

[Elodain]

Bruh I played this game on a laptop with a Mobile RTX 2070, which is basically a GTX 1660 with some low grade Ray Tracing/AI support.

Granted, I had to play at 1080p, low, 30fps, but what do you expect from a potato?

You don't need a brand spanking new graphics card though if you just want to play. And even if you had a 50 series card, you'd apparently still have problems, because as per the usual with Square Enix, it's a lackluster port.

[ominumi]

I have a Intel Arc b570 for $250 I can play this game at 1440p 60 stable FPS on medium settings. What's there to complain about?

[Dragonofdarkness13]

Originally posted by Elodain:

You don't need a brand spanking new graphics card though if you just want to play.

Apparently you do because the Game WILL NOT BOOT no matter what I try... so Yeah I need a new Card

[Dragonofdarkness13]

Originally posted by ominumi:

What's there to complain about?

I just replaced my Graphics card to play this and it won't run and never will because I need a NEW card. So I need to fork out 400 - 600 $ to get a new one... I barely make enough to pay my ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ internet bill... so saving to GET THE GAME was all ready an issue... now I can't even play it...

[Xengre]

Originally posted by Dragonofdarkness13:

Originally posted by Elodain:

You don't need a brand spanking new graphics card though if you just want to play.

Apparently you do because the Game WILL NOT BOOT no matter what I try... so Yeah I need a new Card

Uh, no... The GTX 10 series are 9 years old.

The RTX 20 series is 7 years old and play the game adequately.

Eventually you need newer hardware due to feature support, because not everything can be solved by software only.

Originally posted by Dragonofdarkness13:

I just replaced my Graphics card to play this and it won't run and never will because I need a NEW card.

No you don't. Also, why did you buy such an ancient card? That card would basically be just slightly more expensive than this game... it is so old.

[Dragonofdarkness13]

Originally posted by Xengre:

No you don't. Also, why did you buy such an ancient card? That card would basically be just slightly more expensive than this game... it is so old.

I didn't even give the Model of my Card so I have no idea what you are on about , talking as if a specific card is ancient. The Card I have is 7 years old and the game literally Errors on boot and everything points to the Graphics card isn't good enough.
So unless you ... OR ANYONE ELSE that replies to this has some miracle fix that'll get the game to run ... Stop telling me " No I don't need to upgrade " or " No you don't need to get something 'new' " Because A F-U-C-K-I-N-G Apparently ... I DO

[Elodain]

Originally posted by Dragonofdarkness13:

I didn't even give the Model of my Card so I have no idea what you are on about , talking as if a specific card is ancient. The Card I have is 7 years old and the game literally Errors on boot and everything points to the Graphics card isn't good enough.
So unless you ... OR ANYONE ELSE that replies to this has some miracle fix that'll get the game to run ... Stop telling me " No I don't need to upgrade " or " No you don't need to get something 'new' " Because A F-U-C-K-I-N-G Apparently ... I DO

If the game is not booting AT ALL, it's a reasonable conclusion that you do not have an RTX or AMD equivalent graphics card. Which is required for the game to run.

Again, I ran this game on a computer that was BARELY powerful enough to run the game and, after lowering my standards and tempering my expectations, I was not only able to RUN the game, but had a BLAST with it.

If you have a compatible card and still cannot run tha game, that is an issue on YOUR END, not something wrong with the game.

[Dragonofdarkness13]

Originally posted by Elodain:

If the game is not booting AT ALL, it's a reasonable conclusion that you do not have an RTX or AMD equivalent graphics card. Which is required for the game to run.

Again, I ran this game on a computer that was BARELY powerful enough to run the game and, after lowering my standards and tempering my expectations, I was not only able to RUN the game, but had a BLAST with it.

If you have a compatible card and still cannot run tha game, that is an issue on YOUR END, not something wrong with the game.

I have an AMD Radeon RX 580 currently, which was an upgrade a friend gave me compared to my previous Card.
I could Run Remake on my OLD card so it made sense that This upgrade should Run Rebirth since it runs on the same engine. And that was the point of the thread in the first place ... what did THEY DO to make the game not want to be played. The game Will not Boot at all because I guess I'm missing shader files and or the card doesn't support DX12.
So what the hell is wrong on my end that I can fix without a Graphics card upgrade ?