A modern audience game with DEI and censorship

[Delweynes]

As the post isn't problematic but informative and was closed only because it "devolved into non-productive argument" (Valve Mod), I put it again to inform people and answer people who want more precisions. Happy New Year everyone.
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Quote from Yoshinori Kitase, producer of Rebirth: "... we needed to update the story content being shown in line with modern sensibilities"

Facts and exemples:

Square Enix worked with the consultant Hit Detection LLC, a Sweet Baby Inc like influencing company and is mentioned in the ending credits.

The investigation pointing all the censorships or toned down decisions, DEI with LGBT activism of the company:
https://archive.org/details/square-enix_202404

DEI Detected:
https://deidetected.com/games/final-fantasy-vii-rebirth

Some of their main devs and a glimpse of the result:
https://ibb.co/g75fD9t

A complementary post with video:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/2909400/discussions/0/560232608049441830/

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Focus:

For those who don't want to check all the links, here are undeniables facts of added DEI and censorship, as they are devs only quotes. All the direct sources are availables in the investigation (first link).

- censorship approved by Tetsuya Nomura, main director of Remake:
"... it was necessary to bind [Tifa’s] chest. And thus, for her single upper body clothing, we put a black undergarment with a fitting tank top for a fitness-conscious, sporty design."

- censorship forced by the Ethic Departement inside Square Enix. Quote from Mari Tanabe, member of this department:
"The Ethics Team’s job is to make corrections to what the developers have seriously created."

- DEI added and a game targeting the modern audience. Quote from Yoshinori Kitase, producer of Remake & Rebirth:
I'm “A Bit Embarrassed” By Original Game’s Portrayal Of “Social Problems, Social Issues, And Cultural Depictions"
"... we needed to update the story content being shown in line with modern sensibilities.”

- DEI added and LGBT specifically. Quote from Motomu Toriyama, co-director of Remake & Rebirth:
"The Last of Us Part 2 really delivered on its consideration for diversity"
"I think that expressing diversity with LGBTQ+ inclusion is an important issue for everyone involved in making content, not just people making games,"

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The goal of the OP is not to debate if DEI and censorship are good or bad, but to point out that they have been added to the Remake trilogy, making them differents from the original game.

[TheSonicSpartan]

Not everyone that does not agree with you is a Troll.

[Eastgrove]

Originally posted by EntityofDesire:

I mean seriously I'm personally SO happy Rebirth came to PC and I can finally play it, with my old friends Cloud, Tifa and Aerith. I dont' understand why EVERY single steam topic/forum needs to have htis same culture war topic over and over and over.

I get some games are heavily politically driven with ideology but can't we also just be happy to play great games like this when they DO come along instead?

I care about how these characters are portrayed. If you like them, you should be concerned as well.

[zero]

Originally posted by TheSonicSpartan:

Not everyone that does not agree with you is a Troll.

and not everyone you agree with isn't, to no surprise

but considering in this thread the topic creator has complained about black npcs, swimsuit frills, and panty shots being removed and called those things "dei" and "censoring" you aren't proving the point you think you are.

[akihito_37763]

Originally posted by Valdo82:

For everyone who didn't read the whole thread, let's sum it up:

- we have pedos who cry censorship, cause they couldn't oggle at the cleavage of a minor.
- we have pedos who cry censorship, cause a scene where underwear of a minor gets stolen was removed.
- we have pervs who cry censorship. cause they cant stare at a bikini cleavage cause there are frills
- we have racists who cry censorship, cause there are some non-white people in it.
- we have homophobes who cry censorship, cause there are some queer couples.

Normally I am against censorship, but if this is censorship i am all for it.

Is your own masculine identity that fragile, that you try to start a forum war, while you all complain that cloud embarrassed in front of two females, while yourself embrass yourself infront of a lot females? Guys, in your own language, you are weak. If you are really that macho and all alpha male you should behave like it and not like a butthurt crybaby.

Nice try bashing the fans and gaslighting while celebrating the pushing of DEI and ♥♥♥♥ crap onto this game. Just admit it, you hate straight white men and whatever doesn't promote your pet sin or sexual depravity. The original post ALREADY linked enough proof and actual interviews with the designers that proved they were pushing DEI and a woke agenda into the remake. Lie on here all you want but your woke crap doesn't fly anymore. Oh, and Go Trump :)

[dlux]

Originally posted by EntityofDesire:

I mean seriously I'm personally SO happy Rebirth came to PC and I can finally play it, with my old friends Cloud, Tifa and Aerith. I dont' understand why EVERY single steam topic/forum needs to have htis same culture war topic over and over and over.

Because DEI is a buzz word. People like to use it to troll and crap on games that they hate. It is ridiculous in the case of Rebirth, because the game isn't even woke.

OP is actually just furious, because Tifa's bikini has ruffles and you can't see 15yo Tifa's cleavage. If those are your standards for woke, i.e. your game is not a porno, then every game on the planet except for Baldur's Gate 3, is inherently woke.

[Shout Out To Ground Pound]

so faar i saw just Original FF7 Story and Charakter progress with a little bit new wind of more Interactions between the charakters themself and they try to be more "the friend group vibe" but no DEI and no Woke or censor in the game, it is even the other way around, the game is more Showing of Skin then the original game.

[Ed]

A bit late to the party, but the OP was super informative. This "Sweetbaby" stuff is definitely concerning, WELL BEYOND GAMING. Nasty, nasty stuff, and nasty, nasty people.

Would you shake hands with Diddy? Well SE would...

[Shout Out To Ground Pound]

Originally posted by Ol' Slickboot:

A bit late to the party, but the OP was super informative. This "Sweetbaby" stuff is definitely concerning, WELL BEYOND GAMING. Nasty, nasty stuff, and nasty, nasty people.

Would you shake hands with Diddy? Well SE would...

Who care i am a big fan of FF7 and this game is good, not like the other games and if i see something related with DEI or Woke then i will never buy any Final Fantasy game.

People have to be stupid to think everything is woke nowdays, there are games that had Different Colored skined charakters or Homosexuall charakters in the past, suprised right ?

[WT_Neptune]

You guys just can't resist the slop, huh?

[Yaseeda]

There is nothing wrong with pointing out existence of censorship and specific propaganda in the project.
I have played original FF7 on ps1, and I know what was and what wasnt there. Can tell that censorship was minimal, didnt pay much attention to the LGBT though.

Some need to get heads out of asses and acknowledge that facts are facts, and some people might be sensitive toward implementation of such things.
I will still play this game, but I definitly wont enjoy censorship or LGBT being forced into it.

[zero]

imagine openly admitting your so sensitive you cannot handle "lgbt" in a game, wild.

[dlux]

Originally posted by Yaseeda:

I will still play this game, but I definitly wont enjoy censorship or LGBT being forced into it.

If anything, this game has less of that. All of this gay stuff with Mukki was removed in Remake.

Of course most trolls will deny that. They are simply mad, because the Remake trilogy is not a 1:1 carbon copy with turn-based combat. A handful of them are also very dedicated to their cause and spend a good portion of their day just with trolling about anything related to Final Fantasy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWVdv4Qalcg

[Ed]

Originally posted by zero:

imagine openly admitting your so sensitive you cannot handle "lgbt" in a game, wild.

It's not that we "can't", it's that we don't want to, and we have better options.

If you don't like Tofu, are you going to force yourself to eat it? Or will you eat something that you prefer instead?

See? We simply PREFER non-DEI games.

I'd argue that those standing their ground are less sensitive than those that simply give-in.

Only a wuss would abandon their morals.

[Kate]

We get it; you're desperate to say the n-word.

[Luffy]

Originally posted by Eastgrove:

Originally posted by Luffy:

Just in the attack on Mako Reactor 1 you have Barret screaming at Cloud about the planet literally dying. And not just from natural causes, no, Barret makes it clear that the planet is dying because the Shinra corporation is sucking the literal lifeblood of the planet. It's the entire reason the game starts, as you are bombing a corporate power plant to try to prevent further climate change.

This is what's known as a "pretense". It's a dishonest thing meant to cover up true goals and motivations. Many characters in the game have one. It's a game full of liars and misguided fools. Pretty much everything established at the start of the game is thrown out the window by the end, because no one really knows anything on account of being insignificant human beings confronting forces beyond comprehension.

The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.