A modern audience game with DEI and censorship

[Delweynes]

As the post isn't problematic but informative and was closed only because it "devolved into non-productive argument" (Valve Mod), I put it again to inform people and answer people who want more precisions. Happy New Year everyone.
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Quote from Yoshinori Kitase, producer of Rebirth: "... we needed to update the story content being shown in line with modern sensibilities"

Facts and exemples:

Square Enix worked with the consultant Hit Detection LLC, a Sweet Baby Inc like influencing company and is mentioned in the ending credits.

The investigation pointing all the censorships or toned down decisions, DEI with LGBT activism of the company:
https://archive.org/details/square-enix_202404

DEI Detected:
https://deidetected.com/games/final-fantasy-vii-rebirth

Some of their main devs and a glimpse of the result:
https://ibb.co/g75fD9t

A complementary post with video:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/2909400/discussions/0/560232608049441830/

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Focus:

For those who don't want to check all the links, here are undeniables facts of added DEI and censorship, as they are devs only quotes. All the direct sources are availables in the investigation (first link).

- censorship approved by Tetsuya Nomura, main director of Remake:
"... it was necessary to bind [Tifa’s] chest. And thus, for her single upper body clothing, we put a black undergarment with a fitting tank top for a fitness-conscious, sporty design."

- censorship forced by the Ethic Departement inside Square Enix. Quote from Mari Tanabe, member of this department:
"The Ethics Team’s job is to make corrections to what the developers have seriously created."

- DEI added and a game targeting the modern audience. Quote from Yoshinori Kitase, producer of Remake & Rebirth:
I'm “A Bit Embarrassed” By Original Game’s Portrayal Of “Social Problems, Social Issues, And Cultural Depictions"
"... we needed to update the story content being shown in line with modern sensibilities.”

- DEI added and LGBT specifically. Quote from Motomu Toriyama, co-director of Remake & Rebirth:
"The Last of Us Part 2 really delivered on its consideration for diversity"
"I think that expressing diversity with LGBTQ+ inclusion is an important issue for everyone involved in making content, not just people making games,"

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The goal of the OP is not to debate if DEI and censorship are good or bad, but to point out that they have been added to the Remake trilogy, making them differents from the original game.

[Anjektus]

Originally posted by Demifriend:

Originally posted by Delweynes:

Removing Cid's smoking, reducing swearings or the easter egg of Tifa's panties, or changing Aerith's death cutscene was not made for modern sensibilities? Then what it this modern sensibilities and why all these changes?

'' reducing swearings or the easter egg of Tifa's panties, ''

'' easter egg of Tifa's panties, ''

holy lord, please, touch grass.

Well! They decided that they whanted to do a game that was not 18+ whit blod and gore. So that was their decituon. A joke about Tifas pants are Rhen no going to happend. As thas is not allowed. Inside the age resteiction that they decided that the game would have. So you and can have our fought about that. But it is not cencorship, DEI or woke.

[Eaglestrike]

Originally posted by Eastgrove:

Originally posted by This PC:

I saw both scenes, the remake's is played up, of course, as is all the content in the remake, it's the whole point of it, but it's faithful. :P

I also thought the remakes were an abomination, until I actually played them. :P

One thing they genuinely changed that sucks (#opinion) is the nibelheim sequence, just to show am not hopeless fanboy. Nothing to do with DEI or censorship, it's creative liberties.

I've read that before. People who are supposedly the biggest fans of the OG, but are amazed by Remake and consider it completely faithful. I may not know about Rebirth, but I do know about Remake, and it is *not* faithful. It is nothing but disrespectful, often making nonsensical changes that cause the original meaning to be lost.

The handful of scenes I've seen of Rebirth? It's more of the same. Case in point, when Cloud makes an underwear joke in the OG, Tifa is upset, but she wants him to take things seriously. In Rebirth, he acts like a kid who's had his hand caught in the cookie, both Tifa and Aeris call him an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, and I think even Barret chimes in, probably to demonstrate his lack of amusement.

Cloud acts cool and tells a funny joke in the OG. In Rebirth, he acts submissive, and both Tifa and Aeris overreact, jumping down his throat. Like he's a dog who pooped on the carpet.

Boy you are looking for a specific narrative and you will stop at nothing to make sure everything meets it. I'm glad I matured in life and didn't become so ignorantly close minded.

[Faiyez]

Originally posted by sick duck:

Do you think your OP would be accepted as a wikipedia article? Does it meet their standards for neutrality?

Wikipedia is very biased, especially when it comes to political topics.

[Painkiller2077]

Originally posted by Faiyez:

Originally posted by sick duck:

Do you think your OP would be accepted as a wikipedia article? Does it meet their standards for neutrality?

Wikipedia is very biased, especially when it comes to political topics.

Says the right leaning person who hates facts

[Delweynes]

Originally posted by andreassellfors:

Originally posted by Delweynes:

There are many sites that pointed this. Just one source:
https://www.gamedeveloper.com/production/square-enix-prepared-to-take-legal-action-to-protect-staff-from-harassment

Well! Any company would Sue peopel if hey are harassing their emploments.
That know like a 4-year old child. And the statmemts that are made in the video that the policy are wage are also not true.

People would have appreciated too that Square Enix defends Susan Calloway (FFXIV singer of the title Answers) who was canceled by the woke mob https://x.com/politicalawake/status/1719349524097798484

[Faiyez]

Originally posted by Painkiller2077:

Originally posted by Faiyez:

Wikipedia is very biased, especially when it comes to political topics.

Says the right leaning person who hates facts

Ad hominem.

[Painkiller2077]

Originally posted by Faiyez:

Originally posted by Painkiller2077:

Says the right leaning person who hates facts

Ad hominem.

All people have to do is look at your post history to see i'm spitting facts about you.

[voluntarily celibate viera]

damn dude you suck off trump with that mouth?

[Laurence I of Yharnam]

Originally posted by voluntarily celibate viera:

damn dude you suck off trump with that mouth?

Trump Derangement Syndrome at work.
It's hilarious how so many people are attacking OP, making the most emberassing bs up and raging about a topic with just some sources and interviews aka facts.

[Faiyez]

Originally posted by Painkiller2077:

Originally posted by Faiyez:

Ad hominem.

All people have to do is look at your post history to see i'm spitting facts about you.

This is a Wendy's.

[Eastgrove]

Originally posted by Eaglestrike:

Boy you are looking for a specific narrative and you will stop at nothing to make sure everything meets it. I'm glad I matured in life and didn't become so ignorantly close minded.

I like stories. When someone is pushing a narrative, I can't help but notice it. It's simple pattern recognition. Especially when I'm able to compare to the OG, the changes and their reason for existing become obvious. As far as the Remake goes, they really did leave no stone unturned. The spiteful thoroughness with which they took a torch to it was incredible.

Is Rebirth different? Not based on what I've seen. Only a few minutes worth of clips yet it's the same as Remake.

I'm more than prepared to argue things at length, but I don't think it's likely I'd find someone with the patience for that.

[Delweynes]

Originally posted by Eastgrove:

Originally posted by Eaglestrike:

Boy you are looking for a specific narrative and you will stop at nothing to make sure everything meets it. I'm glad I matured in life and didn't become so ignorantly close minded.

I like stories. When someone is pushing a narrative, I can't help but notice it. It's simple pattern recognition. Especially when I'm able to compare to the OG, the changes and their reason for existing become obvious. As far as the Remake goes, they really did leave no stone unturned. The spiteful thoroughness with which they took a torch to it was incredible.

Is Rebirth different? Not based on what I've seen. Only a few minutes worth of clips yet it's the same as Remake.

I'm more than prepared to argue things at length, but I don't think it's likely I'd find someone with the patience for that.

Remake is mostly censored (Tifa) and changed scenes. Rebirth, on the other hand (with the change of main director) pushes DEI and even more censorship.

[Aganazzar]

Well so far i dunno about the woke stuff in this game.
And don't get me wrong i'm very anti woke, but i'm a culprit as a buyer for this game for 1 reason : nostalgia.
See in 1997 when i saw the ads on TV i so wanted to play the game that i took my first summer jobs and other little odd jobs this year to buy a playstation and FF7.
And i loved every second of it !
And here we are, almost 30 years later and i just wanted to taste a bit of this times

[Eastgrove]

Originally posted by Delweynes:

Remake is mostly censored (Tifa) and changed scenes. Rebirth, on the other hand (with the change of main director) pushes DEI and even more censorship.

Almost all of the changes in Remake were woke. I wouldn't be surprised if Rebirth were worse.

[Houstonheart]

The problem isn't inclusion

the problem and people afraid of inclusion due too paranoia or bigotry and bias,

or

their being to much inclusion to the point even gay and transgender people think its over done or ruins the main characters and they didn't ask for altercations to speak for them.

IN MMO RPG being able to create a character to reflect you is important.

In other stories it may or may not work. a variety of NPC's or characters is ok if balanced right. TO much and it can ruin the story and not be realistic.

Demanding representation in every game can affect balance.

Being hateful if it does is ones own internal hatred. and weakness.

Jumping on the bandwagon of hate because you think its popular is surrendering your mind and soul.

You can enjoy a game for what it is or ruin your own experience by over analyzing

Companies are also not going to change their feelings and ideas to fit those who direct hatred towards others. There is a certain dark... red haired girl that learned that over hate will drop your viewership. Not only that but her channel resulted in her termination from a company due to policy violations and her co-workers would not work with her due to her hiding it.

When a person purposely makes a post about a game having representations of a variety of people, no matter how limited, to stir issue.... It is the same as walking into a room and screaming. "I'M A BIGOT" to the top of your lungs.

The game has limited Representation and you seriously have to be looking for it in the NPCS.

2 girls holding hand at one place.
2 guys talking about wanting escape the chaos and get a home away from it all.
3 other random same gender appearance npcs walking together in De sol.

I had to go back to find them because honestly I didn't notice as I was focused o the story and tasks. Meaning a person has to purposely be over looking for it to make it an issue.