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You gave valid points on the Discord server, i'm sorry you had a bad time with the current update and are resorting to a refund, many of the big bugs have been playtested today and found the cause for them so it's just a matter of time until a hotfix is out, hope you consider to return to the Discord server and try the game again in the near future!
It's not just the state of the games bugs. Fundamentally core game changes have conflicting designs that make no sense to me at all after this last update.
-Pickaxe breaks doors but mines are always on now = death.
Or you slowly have to nudge the door open and check. The whole point was to be in and out of a building quickly to do objective or loot before monsters could ambush you. Before update you could just be smart and leave power off and bust the doors. This mechanic also now directly messes with the new one to barricade the doors. Why break doors at all if all it will do now is stop you from barricading the door?
-Barricades = slow and stupid
Ok so you lock yourself in on nightmare nuke timer (45 minutes). Spend every night locked inside not doing any objectives. You get a whole 15 minutes out of a 45 minute round to do objectives and spend the rest cowering inside a building doing f*** all. Staying inside a building all night is a noob tactic that eats up all ammo, gets people killed, and most importantly wastes time and gets nothing done.
-moving tripmines = trolls best friend
All I seen happen is people on purposely setting up trip mines to kill teammates or just dumb people making bad decisions. This gives a weapon to a troll to snipe someone drinking a soda or while doing an objective even if friendly fire is turned off? Not sure because I didn't play more then 3 games after the update to know for sure.
-Sniper scope changes with nightmare perk nerf = gun is useless at night
Before update I could see better sniping at night, especially using nightmare detector. Now it zooms in really far and you can't see anything because it is pitch black that far out with black monsters. Now that nightmare is basically useless for aiming at those monsters as you have to put beeper away to shoot it does no help at all. The perk is useless to pair with the sniper.
-Monsters still pop in on top of the player or in line of sight less then 10 feet away.
Its awesome to fight more monsters instead of being a walking sim, however when its like an invisible wizard is just dumping a box of monsters on your head makes it stupid. Left4dead is how old now? Yet they have a minimum distance and no line of sight spawn system. You can make spawning nodes at base camps that are hidden around buildings and props and check if is valid spawn for a monster to spawn. Or spawn them far enough out in the blackness and snow blizzard area with a climbing out of snow animation.
-Helicopter is useless compared to other vehicles.
Regardless of nerf or bug the chopper clearly has no place in this game. Either it's "too good" or not worth the risk. First time using it I barely got to the next camp over on full tank. There was no sled there leaving me stranded at shelter... If I just took a ground vehicle I could refuel and left there no problem. I had to walk and almost died after spending 4 minutes LOOKING FOR THE LAST BLOOD MARKING ON A RED GAS TANK.... WTF. It's slow, has no fuel, took 6 gas cans for 50% fuel and is made of paper. Versus taking the new sloth to stay warm and hold way more people and IS A GOD SPOT since monsters didn't seem to pull people out. Sloth way more op then helicopter now and unlike the chopper there is no risk of randomly blowing up or getting attacked by worm or emp. Only reason sloth is balanced atm is because when it flips over your going to fall out of the map if you get out. It's better to just have 2 sled perks and rush objectives with sled now over anything else.
Before last update I did airborne nightmare all SOLO and won with 10/10 objectives it was hard and down to the last minute but I pulled it off. After learning all the tactics to keep power off unless needed and using the pick axe. Flying the chopper and dodging the worm at takeoff (By jumping in and out to warm up chopper) and landing fast. That run is now impossible to pull off because there is no more pick axing doors safely, chopper too slow and chugs too much gas, can't snipe monsters because I cant see them at night, objectives are random so you take way too long checking what it is and looking around for it. All I wanted was a bump to the spawns and for them to spawn fairly with the new stuff just being fun new things to use. Not a direct nerf to player movement and objective efficiency.
I left the discord because you booted my friend MiniDiscMage from the server because he mentioned the helicopter sliding bug being a thing for awhile and was still not fixed until the new update. Demanding what his hours in game were to "make such a bold claim". Bro do you even play the game? All of December the helicopter would randomly start sliding off the pads that is not a fantasy. Second of all you let the same 3 morons jump into every suggestion and b**** and moan how its not the devs vision and it's a bad idea and your a baby, over and over. No ban, just temporarily disable comments on the suggestion. Which is what they want so the idea doesn't get traction. Multiple times they have harassed people with no repercussions and called names. If you look at one of my deleted posts you will see that had used the react to spell the word GAY on it. So instead of dealing with those "keyboard warrior" bullies "defending the devs vision" you let them mock and discredit all my "valid points" and locked my posts when it got heated.
That's why I wanted option to play older version because between the bugs and bad game design the game was no longer enjoyable for solo runs or with my group. 8 people I added on steam have all stopped playing since this update and the game is no longer fun playing alone. That's why I did my refund because my voice on the discord was just ripe for the bullies to dog pile and the game was ruined for me.
Also I don't necessarily agree with everything Nargon said, but quite a lot of it is on point in a sense. I think right now the game is in a really bad spot and the dev needs to hunker down and polish, polish, polish until the game is in a good playable state.
I planned a couple of events with friends in the coming weeks to play this game and I am not looking forward to it anymore.
I didn’t boot your friend, nor did I demand to know his hours in the game. Regarding the helicopter sliding, it was indeed a known glitch. While a fix was attempted, it had to be rolled back as the team was already working on a new helicopter model.
As for the behavior in the suggestions channel, I’m currently exploring ways to limit reactions to just :thumbsup: and :thumbsdown: to prevent toxic interactions like the ones you described. I’m sorry to hear you had a negative experience with the moderation and community, and I’ll take your concerns into account moving forward.
I hope you and MiniDiscMage can revisit the game and the community in the future if these changes address your frustrations.
One time I accidentally left the game public, and EVERYONE that joined tried to kill us. Most end up killing themselves in the process. Closed it off to the public after that, but if the trip mine sniping is a thing, that needs to be fixed asap, and if the enemies are spawning directly in view, that needs to be fixed asap too. We dont mess with the helicopter and we dont mess with the nuke timer currently.
I LOVE the mimic enemy, I dont want to go back before it was there. I would love to see the game record your audio and then let the mimic use it. How freaky would that be if it repeated something you said earlier to one of your buddies! Anyway keep up the good work.
If I had any advice for you, I would ditch the computer games and being able to play pool idea,. it doesnt make sense for a game based on a 45 min or less timer. That should be the VERY LAST thing you work on.
Everyone I play with, a group of 6 have stopped after trying the update. Almost all of us used the chopper and could fly it. The changes made everything take longer to complete and made runs more of a unfun chore. Everyone was more sweaty then causal for sure so when Tactically things make no sense compared from before it became greatly frustrating from what it was.
Bunkering down and staying in one place is the worst idea as you get no objectives done and chew through your ammo. In most cases those who hold at a place ended up dead while the more smart players kept moving to stay alive. I think they should have an objective you have to hold at, like a wave survival while you download data from an indoor server room. That would make sense for certain objectives requiring you to holdout while it completes. Rather then tossing in random door locks to trap yourself in a death trap for no reason over moving to progress objectives.
That was exactly the reason why the pool & chess were pushed back, it didnt fit that well in the game loop considering the nuke timer and the fact that a pool or chess match could take up to 20 minutes
we going to host right now as of this post.
Robonos claims in this thread that he did not ask for my hours at any point, nor did he boot me from the discord. i rejoined, so i was only kicked. but somebody did it; it couldve been someone else. however, he did lie about asking me for my hours.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tyfVGiwKoaBnTac_IY6qPJyPiOYrXOzf/view?usp=sharing
read it and weep