Vote Kick

[Boss]

Please include something like this. People trolling you by shooting you on join needs a way to be punished.

[Littlepage]

The host can kick people. Obviously even if you had vote-kick you can't vote-kick the host because the server would close. Having a vote-kick in match would mess with the immersion by having dead people interacting with the living through a vote-kick menu. If there's a method to make it fairer, i'm not sure that's it.

[Boss]

Originally posted by Littlepage:

The host can kick people. Obviously even if you had vote-kick you can't vote-kick the host because the server would close. Having a vote-kick in match would mess with the immersion by having dead people interacting with the living through a vote-kick menu. If there's a method to make it fairer, i'm not sure that's it.

This is a game fist, immersion second.

You can't tell the host that some dude you were with just murdered three of you with a shotgun while screaming "WHAT HAVE I DOOOOOONE?!"

[Robonos]

Quite annoying, yeah but a solution to this would be having the player be automatically kicked after killing more than certain amount of players in a shot span of time

[Boss]

Originally posted by Robonos:

Quite annoying, yeah but a solution to this would be having the player be automatically kicked after killing more than certain amount of players in a shot span of time

Or just vote kick instead of a system that can be gamed.

It's been implemented in other games. The host is completely unaware sometimes. Happened YET AGAIN. And there's no ability to report these people (recent players shows nothing).

[Robonos]

Originally posted by Kyle Rittenhouse:

Originally posted by Robonos:

Quite annoying, yeah but a solution to this would be having the player be automatically kicked after killing more than certain amount of players in a shot span of time

Or just vote kick instead of a system that can be gamed.

It's been implemented in other games. The host is completely unaware sometimes. Happened YET AGAIN. And there's no ability to report these people (recent players shows nothing).

Vote kick systems can be abused, see l4d2 for example, where they kick someone for the tiniest reasons.

Or people could start votekicking players who are still alive just out of spite because they want to play again.

[Boss]

Originally posted by Robonos:

Originally posted by Kyle Rittenhouse:

Or just vote kick instead of a system that can be gamed.

It's been implemented in other games. The host is completely unaware sometimes. Happened YET AGAIN. And there's no ability to report these people (recent players shows nothing).

Vote kick systems can be abused, see l4d2 for example, where they kick someone for the tiniest reasons.

Or people could start votekicking players who are still alive just out of spite because they want to play again.

I don't care. Your fear and doom nonsense is just that. Nonsense.

BUT IT CAN BE ABUUUUUUSED

So what? Every system can be abused. We've had this conversation before. Here's the thing brother:

Vote kick is FAR LESS LIKELY to be abused than 1 person deciding to Rambo your entire team

Vote Kick, DEFACTO, requires a majority vote. If the majority of players don't want you there, tough.

[Realm]

Vote kick systems blow unless the host can disable them in settings.

[Robonos]

Originally posted by Kyle Rittenhouse:

Originally posted by Robonos:

Vote kick systems can be abused, see l4d2 for example, where they kick someone for the tiniest reasons.

Or people could start votekicking players who are still alive just out of spite because they want to play again.

I don't care. Your fear and doom nonsense is just that. Nonsense.

BUT IT CAN BE ABUUUUUUSED

So what? Every system can be abused. We've had this conversation before. Here's the thing brother:

Vote kick is FAR LESS LIKELY to be abused than 1 person deciding to Rambo your entire team

Vote Kick, DEFACTO, requires a majority vote. If the majority of players don't want you there, tough.

Lol, what a way to discuss things.

Ignoring your pedantic way of putting your point of view, there's other options too, other than votekick, like i said, other games use auto-kick when a player teamkills a lot, even karma systems for matches.

[Boss]

Originally posted by Robonos:

Lol, what a way to discuss things.

Ignoring your pedantic way of putting your point of view, there's other options too, other than votekick, like i said, other games use auto-kick when a player teamkills a lot, even karma systems for matches.

Because you're using hyperbolic nonsense to try and remove a majority vote under the premise that it "might" be abused, while we're currently being abused by troll players we can't remove or ban and that the host has no clue are doing these things.

Vote Kick is significantly better than host kick besides. Trying to remove player control from this is absurd.

[Boss]

Also, I'm SO GLAD that I can't kick the person that called evac at 9/10 WHILE I'M HOST that did it at airport while I'd repeatedly said we should all converge on base camp 2 so everyone has a chance.

Unbelievable.

[Asset]

So many things can go wrong with vote kicking and people often sheep vote just because. Imagine getting vote kicked because you took the only snowmobile and the host wanted it lol, could be 100 petty situations like that too.

I would agree with you if there wasn't an option to turn off friendly fire, except there is. Problem is friendly fire is ON by default and most hosts don't change it.

[Boss]

Originally posted by Asset:

So many things can go wrong with vote kicking and people often sheep vote just because. Imagine getting vote kicked because you took the only snowmobile and the host wanted it lol, could be 100 petty situations like that too.

I would agree with you if there wasn't an option to turn off friendly fire, except there is. Problem is friendly fire is ON by default and most hosts don't change it.

Again, I disagree. You're implying Vote Kick is more easy to abuse than not having it at all, and that's simply factually incorrect in every conceivable way.

A system requiring more people to abuse someone is going to be infinitely less abused than a single person abusing others.

It's something that has existed in many games, and ends up being implemented due to (you guessed it!) the abuse of the singular troll that can ruin the experience for everyone.

I would agree with you (I wouldn't) if you didn't have the option to, iunno, host your own game and thus not be able to be vote kicked.

[Ryland]

I honestly have no idea why people are disagreeing with Boss so heavily. I understand that depending on use case there are better alternatives, but no one has even explained why the alternatives are better, they're just complaining that the suggestion is bad. Even if it was a bad option compared to others, it's still OBVIOUSLY better than the current situation, since it raises the amount of people that have to make a bad choice for a bad overall outcome to occur IMO.

And if you're worried about immersion, what's immersive about playing camera man simulator after you get your head blown off to friendly fire? You really think an extra report/kick/whatever option via a lobby screen would be too much? Hard disagree, myself.

[Asset]

Originally posted by Boss:

Originally posted by Asset:

So many things can go wrong with vote kicking and people often sheep vote just because. Imagine getting vote kicked because you took the only snowmobile and the host wanted it lol, could be 100 petty situations like that too.

I would agree with you if there wasn't an option to turn off friendly fire, except there is. Problem is friendly fire is ON by default and most hosts don't change it.

Again, I disagree. You're implying Vote Kick is more easy to abuse than not having it at all, and that's simply factually incorrect in every conceivable way.

A system requiring more people to abuse someone is going to be infinitely less abused than a single person abusing others.

It's something that has existed in many games, and ends up being implemented due to (you guessed it!) the abuse of the singular troll that can ruin the experience for everyone.

I would agree with you (I wouldn't) if you didn't have the option to, iunno, host your own game and thus not be able to be vote kicked.

vote kick IS easy to abuse no matter how much mental gymnastics you use. A SINGLE person grieffing is less common than what it would take for a single person in a full lobby to initiate a vote kick for once again...100 different possible reasons.

again, simple solution...turn off friendly fire or don't join lobbies with friendly fire lmao?. You're turning an ant hill into a mountain. Your passive aggressiveness in your replies doesn't exactly make people wanna side with you.

I would agree with you(I wouldn't) if you learned to host your own games and turn off friendly fire.
Peace/

[Boss]

Originally posted by Asset:

again, simple solution...turn off friendly fire or don't join lobbies with friendly fire lmao?. You're turning an ant hill into a mountain. Your passive aggressiveness in your replies doesn't exactly make people wanna side with you.

The only person performing mental gymnastics here is you. You're saying it's easier for a Vote Kick to be abused than a single troll, that's factually and completely and utterly and entirely incorrect, based on absolutely no evidence at all. You're literally just making stuff up.

Based on other games, you're simply lying. The only situation that could occur is getting Vote Kicked out of Darktide because the host and two others are friends, and they're trying to get their 4th friend in. These are rare circumstances from me playing solo quite a bit.

Not to mention I encountered a new troll with a person sitting in a corner while the only person alive, forcing us all to watch him. And even as host, I wasn't allowed to kick him (probably because I was dead or some other unknown reason).