Too much rng. Boring game.

[sir_geryon]

You have too little input into how each run goes and options are strictly ranked on viability.

It's just luck if you get something that works or not.

This is a stremmer game where they don't care what happens, they just want content.

[Leonardo the Vinchy]

Hey there. As I'm currently working on a comprehensive guide to beating Standard mode, writing down some of the major tips and tricks like shop timings, upgrade timings, builds and strategies, I'd have to personally disagree. There's a surprising amount of player control. For example, there are plenty of players in Discord who have a very high, consistent, win rate. Feel free to join and see what insane strategies people come up with. And they would love to help out! And so would I!

Can I ask, did you beat the introductory Standard mode? Maybe you haven't unlocked the next game modes, location rerolls or new artifacts/upgrades yet. If you did, well, I'm sorry you feel that way. I hope you at least had a little bit of joy while playing.

[sir_geryon]

Originally posted by Leonardo the Vinchy:

Can I ask, did you beat the introductory Standard mode? Maybe you haven't unlocked the next game modes, location rerolls or new artifacts/upgrades yet. If you did, well, I'm sorry you feel that way. I hope you at least had a little bit of joy while playing.

No, I did not. You have to beat the first mode first and if it was that easy, I wouldn't be ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about too much rng, would I?

Perhaps you should reconsider locking the interesting bits behind a mandatory win.

I'm still refunding, though, because I have no faith in this game becoming fun.

[Leonardo the Vinchy]

I'd very much be willing to help you out in a call even with some runs and explain some concepts to get a better grip on the game. But I take it your opinion is set in stone. In any case, thanks for giving the game a try regardless and I'm sorry it did not meet up to your expectations. And I do truthfully appreciate the feedback.

[Asae Atez Ampan]

Originally posted by sir_geryon:

Originally posted by Leonardo the Vinchy:

Can I ask, did you beat the introductory Standard mode? Maybe you haven't unlocked the next game modes, location rerolls or new artifacts/upgrades yet. If you did, well, I'm sorry you feel that way. I hope you at least had a little bit of joy while playing.

No, I did not. You have to beat the first mode first and if it was that easy, I wouldn't be ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about too much rng, would I?

Perhaps you should reconsider locking the interesting bits behind a mandatory win.

I'm still refunding, though, because I have no faith in this game becoming fun.

I literally beat it first time and have smashed through multiple times. Your bad luck is not the game's problem. Don't play anything with dice or you'd be whining about it.

[Pickle Down Rickenomics]

He's got a point, even if he's being a jerk. Playing Journey, runs feel very sink or swim in the mid game. At tier 3-4 shop, around the 500 tile mark, there's too much RNG on which upgrades you hit. Rares are too diluted with probability upgrades (made worse by all special tile upgrades being rare), commons are wastes of a slot, and you're already down to a dozen rolls, so you can't afford to fish for an epic that works with your build unless you pull a good relic in the few choices you get. I get that not every run can go infinite, but a lot of losses feel like you just run out of steam without any way around it because you didn't hit the right relics or the rare +1x for the color you focused. 5H on record, player level 27, played through Mayhem and transcendent, had this issue basically the whole time.

[Biohazard]

hi there, can i get some simple tips to nudge me in the right direction? i keep hitting an average of 500 tiles, with my max being 900ish, would like some simple tips. Thank you!

[Leonardo the Vinchy]

Originally posted by Biohazard:

hi there, can i get some simple tips to nudge me in the right direction? i keep hitting an average of 500 tiles, with my max being 900ish, would like some simple tips. Thank you!

I'm working on making a guide to beating Standard, but the biggest mistake I see people make is just accepting whatever the shop shows them. They need an upgrade, refresh at the very most 3 times and don't see it. Now they're frustrated and resort to buying this random upgrade. Sometimes, you'll have to refresh 10-15 times. Do it. You'll get all the energy back in no time, because now you actually have artifacts that are doing something.

Stop buying so many random commons (or rares) when you could be refreshing to get a super useful rare (or epic) upgrade instead. Think about which upgrades you want right now, don't just accept what the shop offers you and go with it. Make sure you take artifacts that work well together, meaning that there are upgrades you can buy which would benefit multiple of those artifacts.

If you're going all in on one color with chess and anubis, then actually get the chance to roll your color to 100%. Not 75% or 95%, but get it to a 100% and prioritize it. Same for golden bat, make all sides bigger than 6. And don't get distracted from that objective. The earlier you do this, the more beneficial it is, because rolls cost less and you'll be stacking up on them. Don't rush these upgrades either if your points aren't sorted out yet. Make sure you're getting points in the 10-20 range or higher by refreshing for early multipliers once you're shop is tier level 3, so you can actually afford the special upgrades for your build. At the same time, getting at least one side to 7 with golden bat as fast as you can is also very strong, because just sometimes triggering this +4 energy will already help a lot while you get your points up (in order to afford all the other die upgrades you need).

Again, these are just some basic tips on the top of my head and I'm sorry for how poorly structured it is. I will be putting a proper guide online soon, but I hope this already helps you get a bit of a better grip on your runs!

PS: I'm very far from being the best in the game, there's people in Discord way way better than me and if you want to join, I'm sure they'd love to give you their tips and tricks too!

[Biohazard]

hell yea won my first game thank you!

[GoatSlayer]

Some of you just want everything so easy; maybe stick with candy crush or a can of play-doh.

[?_? HERMY]

Originally posted by Leonardo the Vinchy:

Originally posted by Biohazard:

hi there, can i get some simple tips to nudge me in the right direction? i keep hitting an average of 500 tiles, with my max being 900ish, would like some simple tips. Thank you!

I'm working on making a guide to beating Standard, but the biggest mistake I see people make is just accepting whatever the shop shows them. They need an upgrade, refresh at the very most 3 times and don't see it. Now they're frustrated and resort to buying this random upgrade. Sometimes, you'll have to refresh 10-15 times. Do it. You'll get all the energy back in no time, because now you actually have artifacts that are doing something.

Stop buying so many random commons (or rares) when you could be refreshing to get a super useful rare (or epic) upgrade instead. Think about which upgrades you want right now, don't just accept what the shop offers you and go with it. Make sure you take artifacts that work well together, meaning that there are upgrades you can buy which would benefit multiple of those artifacts.

If you're going all in on one color with chess and anubis, then actually get the chance to roll your color to 100%. Not 75% or 95%, but get it to a 100% and prioritize it. Same for golden bat, make all sides bigger than 6. And don't get distracted from that objective. The earlier you do this, the more beneficial it is, because rolls cost less and you'll be stacking up on them. Don't rush these upgrades either if your points aren't sorted out yet. Make sure you're getting points in the 10-20 range or higher by refreshing for early multipliers once you're shop is tier level 3, so you can actually afford the special upgrades for your build. At the same time, getting at least one side to 7 with golden bat as fast as you can is also very strong, because just sometimes triggering this +4 energy will already help a lot while you get your points up (in order to afford all the other die upgrades you need).

Again, these are just some basic tips on the top of my head and I'm sorry for how poorly structured it is. I will be putting a proper guide online soon, but I hope this already helps you get a bit of a better grip on your runs!

PS: I'm very far from being the best in the game, there's people in Discord way way better than me and if you want to join, I'm sure they'd love to give you their tips and tricks too!

I would like to point out that spend your whole energy stock just to reroll for the chance of the perfect upgrade is not intuitive at all. your advice isn't great when you say "don't get distracted from that objective" and then also say "Don't rush these upgrades either if your points aren't sorted out yet". If even you have trouble explaining how to beat standard then perhaps standard could use some changes especially since you have to beat standard mode to unlock everything else. Standard mode shouldn't require so much optimization and luck just to unlock the rest of the game.

[dpc]

I've beat the standard game on a 3rd try. Journey on the 3rd. I think I consistently win Journey at least half of the time now.

The game really comes down to math and reasoning about optimum choices, in the context of available artifacts.

I should check Discord and see if people are already minmaxing it in spreadsheets like they often do for many other games of this nature...

Would be interesting to know which builds are theoretically best, as I only had time to test a few.