Is this game hard or am I just not used to it yet?

[CrescendoFuri]

I am loving this game so far but this is perhaps the hardest roguelite I've played. I'm struggling in depth 1 and get to about wave 12ish.
I get the concept of weapon forms based on additional types. but it feels like stuff is expensive and I upgrade too slowly, or when I SHOULD buy weapon upgrades.
Any kind of tips for a baby guardian like me?

[Alpherior]

Hit us up in the Discord and we'll show you the way: https://discord.gg/mJZy2Hwnhj

[CaoCao]

i played demo .. i feel like game is just a little bit too hard, the overheat is annoyingly just a bit too unforgiving, even with the upgrades...

[LoveAlotBear]

You aren't crazy. It's not easy. There are optimal paths, and I wouldn't even try this without keyboard and mouse! Also, it may be that you are intended to fail and upgrade. So, you end up the with farming progression.

I could be wrong.. maybe somebody can beat every level 1st try with no research upgrades.

Anyways.. end of day, are you having fun? :P

[thegreatvarholy]

Na, it's not you. This game is challenging as ****. I barely managed to break Surface yesterday. I used the Focus body and went all C to get the deletion beam, loaded up with +projectiles, width and damage/firerate. I was doing 185X4 per click at 75% range.

The game is brutal but relatively speaking fair, best I can say is experiment. You'll eventually find a combo that just works, so far it's the quad C for me. Being able to reliably 1-shot everything up to wave 16 plus piercing.....it's fantastic.

[Alpherior]

This game punishes you hard for ill-thought-out decisions, including but not limited to:

• Adding Accuracy mods to nearly-pinpoint weapons
  
• Adding Homing to extremely Accuracy weapons (except for certain cases like Hitscan + Sticky + Homing)
  
• Focusing on Accuracy, Range and Speed on weapons with a GIANT explosion or area radius
  
• Adding Knockback multipliers to weapons without Knockback
  
• Adding size multipliers to teeny tiny AAAA Minigun projectiles
  
• Passing up "+100% Projectiles, -100% Accuracy" on a turret or weapon that doesn't benefit at all from Accuracy
  
• Letting Biomass burn a hole in your pocket / feeling like "well I gotta buy SOMETHING this wave" (see below 2)
  
• Spending half your Biomass on heals before you've filled all slots
  
• Spending half your Biomass opening multiple slots at once before you have an item to put in them
  
• Holding LMB down constantly even when you don't need to be (see: frequent overheating)
  
• Using Fridge + Rime + Defibrillator on every turret
  
• Rerolling when you don't even have enough Biomass to buy anything that might appear
  
• Being afraid of "+90% Damage, -30% Firerate" or "+90% Firerate, -30% Damage" or not realizing how they both increase DPS

The items were designed to make you think, hence why most mods have negative stats attached to them. It's still hard in general though, but these are good pointers if you find yourself struggling.

[Echo]

Originally posted by Alpherior:

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Do you have tips for reaching D5 wave 100? I always die around 60 regardless of my build. Or just fish for good rng?

[Alpherior]

Originally posted by Echo:

Originally posted by Alpherior:

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Do you have tips for reaching D5 wave 100? I always die around 60 regardless of my build. Or just fish for good rng?

Lots of builds will work but if you're struggling to find one: Focus with Plasmathrower + some simple straightforward perk setup like Fridge + Mirror + Extinguisher + Thermometer, then go for big DPS, Size, and put Sticky on it.

[KingOfCharge]

Originally posted by Alpherior:

Originally posted by Echo:

Do you have tips for reaching D5 wave 100? I always die around 60 regardless of my build. Or just fish for good rng?

Lots of builds will work but if you're struggling to find one: Focus with Plasmathrower + some simple straightforward perk setup like Fridge + Mirror + Extinguisher + Thermometer, then go for big DPS, Size, and put Sticky on it.

I’m pretty sure thermometer extinguisher isn’t as good with fast firing weapons like plasma

[KingOfCharge]

Originally posted by thegreatvarholy:

Na, it's not you. This game is challenging as ****. I barely managed to break Surface yesterday. I used the Focus body and went all C to get the deletion beam, loaded up with +projectiles, width and damage/firerate. I was doing 185X4 per click at 75% range.

The game is brutal but relatively speaking fair, best I can say is experiment. You'll eventually find a combo that just works, so far it's the quad C for me. Being able to reliably 1-shot everything up to wave 16 plus piercing.....it's fantastic.

The damage of pure C falls off hard on higher depths and the piercing doesn’t really make up for it because the weapon is so thin

[Alpherior]

Originally posted by KingOfCharge:

Originally posted by Alpherior:

Lots of builds will work but if you're struggling to find one: Focus with Plasmathrower + some simple straightforward perk setup like Fridge + Mirror + Extinguisher + Thermometer, then go for big DPS, Size, and put Sticky on it.

I’m pretty sure thermometer extinguisher isn’t as good with fast firing weapons like plasma

Ah actually yeah - maybe like, Fridge + Mirror + Defibrillator + uhhh I dunno Vice.

[KingOfCharge]

Possibly rime or something
Also if coolant has been unlocked then putting that over thermometer is an option.

[thegreatvarholy]

Originally posted by KingOfCharge:

Originally posted by thegreatvarholy:

Na, it's not you. This game is challenging as ****. I barely managed to break Surface yesterday. I used the Focus body and went all C to get the deletion beam, loaded up with +projectiles, width and damage/firerate. I was doing 185X4 per click at 75% range.

The game is brutal but relatively speaking fair, best I can say is experiment. You'll eventually find a combo that just works, so far it's the quad C for me. Being able to reliably 1-shot everything up to wave 16 plus piercing.....it's fantastic.

The damage of pure C falls off hard on higher depths and the piercing doesn’t really make up for it because the weapon is so thin

I just hit depth 2 and, yeah, you are absolutely right. If it's hitting a wall this early, I think depth 5 is gonna be a soul crusher.

[KingOfCharge]

Try every weapon. Not everything hits that same wall, ion laser’s damage per second is actually really bad

[Alpherior]

Note that I (the developer) don't think Ion Laser is some tier below other 4-letter options - KingOfCharge is an experienced player but know that his opinions are strictly his own and not necessarily reflective of others' experience.

[Echo]

Originally posted by Alpherior:

Originally posted by Echo:

Do you have tips for reaching D5 wave 100? I always die around 60 regardless of my build. Or just fish for good rng?

Lots of builds will work but if you're struggling to find one: Focus with Plasmathrower + some simple straightforward perk setup like Fridge + Mirror + Extinguisher + Thermometer, then go for big DPS, Size, and put Sticky on it.

That very easily did the trick.

I used fridge, mirror, defibrillator, smokebomb, and went full dps + 1 sticky + 1 size for weapon mods. Turret mods were the -10% heat one, crit damage, and firerate.