PC version is the 8th Gen console version this year - WWE 2K25 Edition

[Zeokage]

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What are the differences between the 8th and 9th Gen versions?

• The Island is only on PS5/XBS

This is the thread to discuss the next-gen version of the game sticking to 9th Gen consoles this year and not coming to PC.

Here's a personal opinion on this that a member of 2K staff provided in the past for NBA 2K as the same thing happened with that franchise:

Wanted to address the PC discussion and give some insight from a business perspective on why it takes time for sports games to make the transition on PC's vs. console. I can assure you, this isn't 'laziness', in fact, this has been the case nearly every single generation - it normally takes a few years to see this change occur. Here's a big reason why:

As much as hardcore gamers buy new consoles or super high-powered PC's, most players do not own the biggest/brightest tech out there. When looking at what gen to put on PC, you have to look at the player base, and what capabilities their hardware has from a minimum spec perspective.

So let's say to run the new gen you need a much higher spec'ed PC, you may cut off 30-40% of the PC market, who is able to play the game at min-spec on older gen. Usually after new consoles come out, there's a big uptick in players improving PC's more casually, and games that have yearly iterations base decisions like this on the percentage of players on PC who meet the min spec threshold.

I know most in here are hardcore players, as are most of us, so this can be frustrating, but PC is vastly different than console, where everyone is on the same machine. Therefore, you have to base decisions on where the most amount of players can play. That's the business side of it.

Note that this is not an official statement.

[SolidBoss7]

Opprinnelig skrevet av nike23:

Opprinnelig skrevet av SolidBoss7:

It IS the only difference. The Island. Community Creations all seem to be cross platform given I've been able to find EVERY creation that has been posted on YouTube. And even if they weren't cross platform (no source cited btw) it's not an issue if you're still able to find the CAW under CC. The bruising and blood are identical to ps5, as well as graphics and lighting.

You can keep telling yourself this but PC has 478 pages of CAW's on default screen while "next gen has 2418 on the same page lol....how you are saying and trying to convince yourself they are exactly the same is not reality. PC is last gen and not the same as XBSX and PS5 "current gen" here are two screens of the same pages taken 2 mins apart...PC has 1/4 the CAWs. Also as you can see in most downloaded the rows do not match because CAWs from XBSX are NOT on there...so please please please stop telling everyone they are identical except for the island.

https://imgur.com/a/dSfElHv

even if the community creatons are seperate it makes no difference. Everything else is the same. You can dkeep telling yourself all you want too. Meanwhile I'll be enjoying the game and not crying about trivial nonsense.

And nice job moving the goal post. Orginally it was the blood and bruises were different too. Now its just CAW and Island. Get a life kid. For the last 3 or 4 years there's always been people debating what version pc got. The PC got the same exact version as XSX and PS5 minus the Island. The CAW barely get used on my end anyways. Bunch of jank half a** creations most of the time anyways. I'll stick to the official roster and game modes. They are identical except for the ISLAND. CAW doesn't really count. That'd be like saying starfield mods on PC make it a different version than Starfield on XSX.

Funny thing is, in 2k24, the PC version looked better than the current gen versions too. Just like this year. Same wrestling, same effects, better graphics, image quality, and performance.

[nike23]

Opprinnelig skrevet av SolidBoss7:

Opprinnelig skrevet av nike23:

You can keep telling yourself this but PC has 478 pages of CAW's on default screen while "next gen has 2418 on the same page lol....how you are saying and trying to convince yourself they are exactly the same is not reality. PC is last gen and not the same as XBSX and PS5 "current gen" here are two screens of the same pages taken 2 mins apart...PC has 1/4 the CAWs. Also as you can see in most downloaded the rows do not match because CAWs from XBSX are NOT on there...so please please please stop telling everyone they are identical except for the island.

https://imgur.com/a/dSfElHv

even if the community creatons are seperate it makes no difference. Everything else is the same. You can dkeep telling yourself all you want too. Meanwhile I'll be enjoying the game and not crying about trivial nonsense.

And nice job moving the goal post. Orginally it was the blood and bruises were different too. Now its just CAW and Island. Get a life kid. For the last 3 or 4 years there's always been people debating what version pc got. The PC got the same exact version as XSX and PS5 minus the Island. The CAW barely get used on my end anyways. Bunch of jank half a** creations most of the time anyways. I'll stick to the official roster and game modes. They are identical except for the ISLAND. CAW doesn't really count. That'd be like saying starfield mods on PC make it a different version than Starfield on XSX.

Funny thing is, in 2k24, the PC version looked better than the current gen versions too. Just like this year. Same wrestling, same effects, better graphics, image quality, and performance.

No they didnt get the same exact version as XBSX and PS5 its the same version as XB1 and PS4...2 versions of the game NOT 3 its either current gen or last gen and its last gen with all the same features as xb1 and ps4 INCLUDING the blood and bruising. You keep clinging to PC elitest talk, PC will ALWAYS look better because we can control our settings and have access to things they dont LOL. Man some people are just thick and stubborn , Also im not crying im actually pretty upset we keep getting these last gen ports and people like you keep supporting them because they dont know any better, first it was the same, now its oh i dont use this but everything else is the same lol bro if it was all the same we would be cross platform across the board like last year, which means we got the shaft and left behind but still asked to pay the same prices.

[Littlefatcat]

I feel like it was probably bad pr for them to post this. I'll probably hold onto this but it is disappointing that they chose to cut the content completely instead of making an optional dlc for people to add the content if there pc has an rtx card. Pretty lame but what can you do...

[SolidBoss7]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Littlefatcat:

I feel like it was probably bad pr for them to post this. I'll probably hold onto this but it is disappointing that they chose to cut the content completely instead of making an optional dlc for people to add the content if there pc has an rtx card. Pretty lame but what can you do...

THis isn't an official statement from the developers at 2K. It's a personal opinion from an employee, which is stated in the original post. The only thing missing from this version of the game is the island. All other gameplay mechanics and features are intact and the same as current gen consoles.

[nike23]

Opprinnelig skrevet av SolidBoss7:

The only thing missing from this version of the game is the island. All other gameplay mechanics and features are intact and the same as current gen consoles.

Not true you are locked to LAST GEN FEATURES and mechanics including a much smaller user base and CAW pool. Whatever the xb1 and ps4 have is what you will get. They dont make a last gen, next gen, pc gen, its either last gen and current gen...considering you can only cross play and have access to last gen CAW that means this is a last gen title on PC!!!

[Crustacean]

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Opprinnelig skrevet av SolidBoss7:

The only thing missing from this version of the game is the island. All other gameplay mechanics and features are intact and the same as current gen consoles.

Not true you are locked to LAST GEN FEATURES and mechanics including a much smaller user base and CAW pool. Whatever the xb1 and ps4 have is what you will get. They dont make a last gen, next gen, pc gen, its either last gen and current gen...considering you can only cross play and have access to last gen CAW that means this is a last gen title on PC!!!

i dont really consider not having an overpriced microtransaction island and a few less uploaded caws to download making the pc "last gen". they just left out a couple of minor things.

[nike23]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Crustacean:

i dont really consider not having an overpriced microtransaction island and a few less uploaded caws to download making the pc "last gen". they just left out a couple of minor things.

And this is why we keep getting these ports of games from last gen on PC....whats so hard to understand, theres two versions of the games made, they have a last gen version for the old consoles and a current gen for the new ones...the PC version is ported from one of them, since its cross play compatible with XB1 and PS4 guess which version it is....cause its not the current gen with all the engine upgrades and so on. Those things are "left out" because last gen consoles dont have them because thats the port we got...its not hard to understand and figure out. The pc version is NOT its own version it is a port of one engine or the other.

[Rinoa]

Opprinnelig skrevet av nike23:

Opprinnelig skrevet av SolidBoss7:

It IS the only difference. The Island. Community Creations all seem to be cross platform given I've been able to find EVERY creation that has been posted on YouTube. And even if they weren't cross platform (no source cited btw) it's not an issue if you're still able to find the CAW under CC. The bruising and blood are identical to ps5, as well as graphics and lighting.

You can keep telling yourself this but PC has 478 pages of CAW's on default screen while "next gen has 2418 on the same page lol....how you are saying and trying to convince yourself they are exactly the same is not reality. PC is last gen and not the same as XBSX and PS5 "current gen" here are two screens of the same pages taken 2 mins apart...PC has 1/4 the CAWs. Also as you can see in most downloaded the rows do not match because CAWs from XBSX are NOT on there...so please please please stop telling everyone they are identical except for the island.

https://imgur.com/a/dSfElHv

You are totally right, I got the game on PC, but just asked for a refund. I love using community creations, and if 95% of the community creations is on PS5, I'll be playing on PS5. I love the game, but really odd to exclude PC from the next gen consoles CC.

[Kevin WK]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Kitana crush:

i too own both PC & PS5 ver of the game, running it on 4090 on my PC i too can say there are blood, sweat and bruises exactly like the PS5 ver, everything just the same down to the wrestler hairs, no diff whatsoever. Plus PC version on 4090 got better lighting and graphics sharpness compared to the PS5 version.

I have a 4090 and was looking for this kinda answer. Thanks!

[nike23]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Sabrina:

You are totally right, I got the game on PC, but just asked for a refund. I love using community creations, and if 95% of the community creations is on PS5, I'll be playing on PS5. I love the game, but really odd to exclude PC from the next gen consoles CC.

Right, it sucks we got the version we did....i love and will always prefer to get my games on PC if i have the option just because it always looks sharper and "better" and i can use ultra wide resolution and im just in general a PC gamer, but giving up community creations is just one of the things that is a no go, not to mention the details are not up to par with the current gen version. I could care less about the island havent even loaded it up but i just couldnt overlook and settle for the lesser stuff of the last gen.

Glad you were able to get a refund, i was past my refund window so i got stuck with having to keep the PC version and paying for it twice :( lol

[SolidBoss7]

Opprinnelig skrevet av nike23:

Opprinnelig skrevet av SolidBoss7:

The only thing missing from this version of the game is the island. All other gameplay mechanics and features are intact and the same as current gen consoles.

Not true you are locked to LAST GEN FEATURES and mechanics including a much smaller user base and CAW pool. Whatever the xb1 and ps4 have is what you will get. They dont make a last gen, next gen, pc gen, its either last gen and current gen...considering you can only cross play and have access to last gen CAW that means this is a last gen title on PC!!!

Wrong. What gameplay features and mechanics are missing? The Island. You can't count CAW as that's not what differentiates last gen from current gen. Graphics and gameplay features do. Missing one mode does not relegate the entire game to last gen.

[nike23]

Opprinnelig skrevet av SolidBoss7:

Wrong. What gameplay features and mechanics are missing? The Island. You can't count CAW as that's not what differentiates last gen from current gen. Graphics and gameplay features do. Missing one mode does not relegate the entire game to last gen.

Dude im done with you, continue on, the game is compatible and playable with LAST GEN and is not compatible with current gen, that alone says what version of the game it is, there is TWO versions of the game Last gen and current gen, PC gets one...and the one we got is only playable with last gen...you want to discount the biggest feature in the game for 99% of the player base as community creations is the staple of community. Whatever bro you are exactly the reason we get these last gen ports thats a waste of our hardware. You have been proven wrong time and time again lol. I also bet you were saying the same thing about nba2k prior to this year when it got current gen finally.

[the Outside]

The missing Island of Microtransactions is totally fine with me.

[SolidBoss7]

Opprinnelig skrevet av nike23:

Opprinnelig skrevet av SolidBoss7:

Wrong. What gameplay features and mechanics are missing? The Island. You can't count CAW as that's not what differentiates last gen from current gen. Graphics and gameplay features do. Missing one mode does not relegate the entire game to last gen.

Dude im done with you, continue on, the game is compatible and playable with LAST GEN and is not compatible with current gen, that alone says what version of the game it is, there is TWO versions of the game Last gen and current gen, PC gets one...and the one we got is only playable with last gen...you want to discount the biggest feature in the game for 99% of the player base as community creations is the staple of community. Whatever bro you are exactly the reason we get these last gen ports thats a waste of our hardware. You have been proven wrong time and time again lol. I also bet you were saying the same thing about nba2k prior to this year when it got current gen finally.

Proof that the only thing missing is the island. Everything else the ps5 has from bruises, to led damage on the barricades, to the new blood visuals are all on pc and ps5 and not ps4
https://youtu.be/RItMCD3Re1k?si=MHj5RRMZ6cfK11Y4

[armInIuS]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Zeokage:

I'll need to do more research on render paths, but I don't know if that's the reason for PC not getting The Island mode[...]

Im fully lost at this point.
The original employee statement sounded like yeah we have this island area with free cam movement and all which requires next gen graphic stuff yaddi yaddi pc not gonna get it.

Okay, not cool but ok. I did comment to zeokage that other games solved that using different render paths where they have a fallback for e.g. to normal AO if raytracing is not available. However core takeaway was like pc folks not big enough in this game to satisfy development costs to do so - okay not fine but respecting the business decision.

Go ahead, fridays launch. Graphic looks fantastic on PC. Great, just that 6 year old upscaler thing and missing island part.. not great but can live with it.


Play'd a KO match.

Free camera movement on pc. Ah oh wow thats cool. Free cam movement! Cool!
.... wait WHAT?!

So the game acutally has a working lighting ans shading solution for free camera movement. on PC. They just didnt port it to island area because idk ?

The core thing imho opinion is that the island probably uses some kind of newly implemented light raytracing on consoles. And they just didnt care to either port over the rt solution to pc because then at least RTX owners would have enjoyed it, Because there is too less folks with rt hw to justify.

Hm okay, but why then do not port over the AO lighting used in KO matches on PC?
That would have made the island available on PC for all users, not just those with RT. So the "to less folks with next gen hw" doesnt hold up here imho