Anyone else baffled by how beaters work?

[gbuglyo]

So, I know that most of the purist complaints about the game center around the Seeker and the Snitch (and honestly, fair enough), but I was totally floored when the tutorial had me, as a Beater, whack a player directly with my bat instead of just sending a Bludger. Like, seriously?

Why mess with the canon when you don’t even have to? Quidditch is a tough sport, but not that kind of tough. Plus, Bludgers are supposed to go rogue and target players on their own.

[Mithlond]

Isn't there a part in one of the movies where Slytherin also just whacks players with their bats?

[gbuglyo]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Mithlond:

Isn't there a part in one of the movies where Slytherin also just whacks players with their bats?

Really? I'm not sure, I don't remember the movies all that well. But they aren't canon either, only the books are. Anyway, if there is indeed such a scene in a HP movie, that could explain this weird addition in the game.

[Mori]

"Rule" number four of Quidditch according to the HP Fandom wiki: "Contact is allowed, but a player may not seize hold of another player's broomstick or any part of their anatomy."

On the other hand, Beaters shouldn't be allowed to send the Bludger at the Keeper at any time cause that's a foul. Can only use the Bludger on the Keeper when the Quaffle is inside the scoring area.

In short, they play fast and loose with the "rules" established by canon; most glaringly with the game not ending when the Snitch is caught.

[iSynden]

Only problem I have is that the beater can't always lock on to the other players for me. There's matches where the beater is useless because it literally can't lock on to anyone then there's games where I need to follow the players around for like 20 seconds and the lock might appear... Doesn't feel finished

[CraziePookie]

First off, bludgers are made of iron. I'm going to assume they are hollow and not 150lbs, so let's just say they're 10lbs, for the sake of argument. Some competitive quidditch broomsticks reach top speeds of 150 mph or more, SO to reasonably catch players, bludgers would have to be capable of moving at least a 100 mph. You can't convince me that a 100 mph, 10 lb iron ball smashing into your chest is going to be LESS dangerous than someone hitting you with a bat.

Back to the game mechanics. As a beater, if you were primarily defending chasers from bludgers and sending them at enemies... That would be a nightmare to play. You'd probably need more than two bludgers (which I believe is the standard, though the International Quidditch Association might have different quantities than school tournaments) on the field or the beater wouldn't have ♥♥♥♥ to do. THEN if your one beater happens to underperform, it's an absolute nightmare for everyone on the team.

If they also had a lot of interplay with the chasers (ie hitting the quaffle with their bats) it would be hard to make them feel like their own unique position. They would just be an occasionally defensive, sub-par chaser. Same situation if they could do keeper tasks. I suppose they could've had them play "sweeper/center" where they bounce between supporting chasers on offense and defending... But, again, that sounds like a nightmare to play.

I think they preserved the spirit of the role beaters play, while neither giving them too many things to do nor too few.

[gbuglyo]

Oprindeligt skrevet af CraziePookie:

First off, bludgers are made of iron. I'm going to assume they are hollow and not 150lbs, so let's just say they're 10lbs, for the sake of argument. Some competitive quidditch broomsticks reach top speeds of 150 mph or more, SO to reasonably catch players, bludgers would have to be capable of moving at least a 100 mph. You can't convince me that a 100 mph, 10 lb iron ball smashing into your chest is going to be LESS dangerous than someone hitting you with a bat.

No question about that, but it's still the lore, and all the lore changes are definitely contributing to the game’s decline. There are only 193 players currently playing it on Steam (according to Steam Charts).

[CruZer]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Mithlond:

Isn't there a part in one of the movies where Slytherin also just whacks players with their bats?

"Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets " movie, they (Slitheryn) litteraly use their bats to crush directly the chasers (and even the keeper) But I understand the point of the thread, I think beater is too strong in a way. Golden snitch catch is just 30pts anyway.

But , don't start with the whole "movies are not cannon" when JK Rowling was a producer of the movies at that time.

[gbuglyo]

Oprindeligt skrevet af CruZer:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Mithlond:

Isn't there a part in one of the movies where Slytherin also just whacks players with their bats?

"Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets " movie, they (Slitheryn) litteraly use their bats to crush directly the chasers (and even the keeper) But I understand the point of the thread, I think beater is too strong in a way. Golden snitch catch is just 30pts anyway.

But , don't start with the whole "movies are not cannon" when JK Rowling was a producer of the movies at that time.

Why not? The movies aren’t canon. Chamber of Secrets was produced by David Heyman, with little to no involvement from Rowling. Even if the movies were canon, bats are used rarely against players in a direct way, and when they are, it's clearly to show a lack of respect for others and for the spirit of Quidditch (I seem to remember Crabbe and Goyle doing this in one of the later movies). Taking that approach as the norm feels off, as Beaters are meant to handle Bludgers, not act as direct combatants. On a related note, tackling by Chasers should, in my opinion, be only possible against the player holding the Quaffle. Right now, the whole game is packed with Crabbes and Goyles, and it often resembles a street fight more than it does Quidditch.

[Phrontistery]

Wait are you having trouble on the game play of the beater? Or you don't like the mechanics of the beater? Because of the current mechanics it works. Because I primarily play as a beater for my team.

[gbuglyo]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Phrontistery:

Wait are you having trouble on the game play of the beater? Or you don't like the mechanics of the beater? Because of the current mechanics it works. Because I primarily play as a beater for my team.

I don't mean the mechanics, only that they aren't lore-accurate.

[iSynden]

Oprindeligt skrevet af gbuglyo:

So, I know that most of the purist complaints about the game center around the Seeker and the Snitch (and honestly, fair enough), but I was totally floored when the tutorial had me, as a Beater, whack a player directly with my bat instead of just sending a Bludger. Like, seriously?

Why mess with the canon when you don’t even have to? Quidditch is a tough sport, but not that kind of tough. Plus, Bludgers are supposed to go rogue and target players on their own.

Quidditch is a very physical sport, hitting with the bats, with the brooms, bludgers, kicking, punching it's all lore accurate for quidditch.

[gbuglyo]

Oprindeligt skrevet af iSynden:

Oprindeligt skrevet af gbuglyo:

So, I know that most of the purist complaints about the game center around the Seeker and the Snitch (and honestly, fair enough), but I was totally floored when the tutorial had me, as a Beater, whack a player directly with my bat instead of just sending a Bludger. Like, seriously?

Why mess with the canon when you don’t even have to? Quidditch is a tough sport, but not that kind of tough. Plus, Bludgers are supposed to go rogue and target players on their own.

Quidditch is a very physical sport,

Yes, that much is true.

Oprindeligt skrevet af iSynden:

hitting with the bats, with the brooms, bludgers, kicking, punching it's all lore accurate for quidditch.

No. While Quidditch Through the Ages states that "contact is allowed, but a player may not seize hold of another player's broomstick or any part of their anatomy," it does not specify exactly how much contact is allowed. Based on how things play out in the books, it seems that tackling (against the player carrying the Quaffle) is allowed in various ways, but hitting with bats, punching and kicking definitely seem to be illegal. Can you point out any events from the canon where such things happen?

[kartoffel5]

Oprindeligt skrevet af iSynden:

Quidditch is a very physical sport, hitting with the bats, with the brooms, bludgers, kicking, punching it's all lore accurate for quidditch.

Nope.
In the books there is free kick for every foul happens
and this online game is full of such fouls that would be punished in the books, like gbuglyo said.

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed🔮🎭🧛]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Mithlond:

Isn't there a part in one of the movies where Slytherin also just whacks players with their bats?

XD slytherins are very clever haha

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed🔮🎭🧛]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Phrontistery:

Wait are you having trouble on the game play of the beater? Or you don't like the mechanics of the beater? Because of the current mechanics it works. Because I primarily play as a beater for my team.

me too (when im not playing as a seeker)