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[SPOILERS] Episode 5 Endings
What endings did you guys get?

I brought Al Azif back to the continent
I got help from sisters to confront Lord Mortimer

I was possessed by LM
I failed to kill LM
I failt to leave island safe and sound

How do you even succeed with the last three stuff?

I swear I wouldn't tell anything if it wasn't for the ending board because the game didn't hint at any of these. It's like they could have animated these too but got lazy (or time frame didn't help) and just released the episode.
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Messaggio originale di bilsantu:

I didn't even have the nail and it was the first time I found out about it, where

do you get it from?


it's actually the nail you used to open the secret chamber at the end of part 3. Presumbly Louis kept it on him.

if you use a logic choice on LM he will basically tell you that blood of an older demon is poisonous to younger demon. Jesus was a demon so the nail with his blood will work just as well.

It's basically there in case you failed to get the correct lance.
Ultima modifica da IronHat; 5 dic 2018, ore 16:46
I got what I would call the good ending. Didn't meet Jesus, but the sisters sided with me, and since I had the right Lance, I managed to stab papa Mortimer and he looked like he died, but not before uttering a vague warning about some punishment I was facing. Maybe they will make a second season?

But aside from that, I really feel like that ending was rushed, it was really anticlimatic, and with many questions unsolved. The first one is : what happens to Louis? I mean, I know I'm alive in the end, so there's that, but I would have liked a bit more details. Am I still in a relationshiph with Emily? You had an option, in the previous episode, to tell her you still have feelings for her despite your bloodties, but it is never mentionned in the last episode. Do I see Sarah again? The game told me she never went back from that island, but I managed to keep her alive in the last episode. So, is this just a bug or did she just went in hiding? And what about the bloody Al Azik that was teased throughout the whole game but didn't have any importance in the end, aside from "yay you brought it back", presumably for it to be stolen like a mounth after because that's how it goes with that godforsaken book.

Anyway... Yeah, that ending was really disappointing, espescially considering how the reste of the game was well written. I believe we were all ready to wait for another mounth or even two if that meant getting a better ending. I feel like they went Mass Effect 3 on this one, and I really hope they will at the very least continue to go ME3 and add an extented ending to at least wrap a few things up.
Ultima modifica da CORAL!!!; 6 dic 2018, ore 7:14
Messaggio originale di CORAL!!!:
I got what I would call the good ending. Didn't meet Jesus, but the sisters sided with me, and since I had the right Lance, I managed to stab papa Mortimer and he looked like he died, but not before uttering a vague warning about some punishment I was facing. Maybe they will make a second season?

If we get a second season, it's not really that good ending. Demons in this family are not allowed to kill each other, so by killing Mortimer you put a big target on Louis.

And sadly, the choices or optional actions don't butterfly so much as it would be more difficult to write new episodes if the writers had to consider and include every variable.

PS. I just played this ending. Mortimer surely refers to seeing Father, who would punish us for killing Morty, even though he was angry with Morty for what he did to Greg.
Wow! I've just finished my 3 playthroughs and got 3 very different endings!

1) (Kinda guessed this would happen)! Stuck with Mortimer all the way. He was very impressed with my achievements throughout the adventure as I didn't fail too many things, and liked me so much that he devoured my soul and chose me for his next body... oops! :-P Yes I gave the lance back when asked...!

2) Even better - this was my 'deliberate failure' playthrough. Mortimer was not impressed with my achievements and becasue I had been poisoned by Wollner (deliberatel, I let this happen lol) in the previous chapter, he said my body was not good enough for posession. However, I had the Al Azif and although I had the wrong spear, I had the nail with the blood of Jesus (allegedly...) on it and used this to stab Mortimer and he 'died'! It was, however, a pyrrhic victory as I collapsed on the large symbol in the main hall and died as I tried to escape and get help for being posoined!

3) The best ending by far for me! I said all the right things to Azazal or whatever the Demon Father was called and allowed him to possess me. This spirit saved Gregory from death, and after I successfully answered (I think answers can vary with mutliple routes to success depending on what did or did not happen during the whole adventure) Azazal's confrontation questions, he totally owned Mortimer, no lance or book required, and buried Mortimer Alive for eternity (no killing in the family...) and I became the head honcho daemon (well, probably alongside Gregory as he was saved, though not seen in the final scene)!

I assume there is a successful ending where you can use the Al Azif and the Lance to kill Mortimer and you live (ie do not get poisoned in chapter 4)! I am gonna have to play through the game again at some point to see this - and also if having mother alive (she died in all my 3 playthroughs so far) at the end makes a difference!

The final chapter can seem unusually short but I think it is becasue it really does incoorporate all these endings and anyone who only does one playthrough is not gonna see half of them let alone all!

Great game! And for those who persevere, there really are multiple endings!
Messaggio originale di Conde de Bragança:
Messaggio originale di bilsantu:

I literally did the same but got this ending, I wonder what made the difference between you and me.

I thought the ending didn't exactly tell us if Mortimer died or not, but it seems it does. I chose to use the Nail and it seems that he died then, since nothing told me that I failed to kill him. I wonder what would have happened if I had agreed to allow Mortimer's father to possess Louis.

As I found out - so long as you have done certain actions in the game, and asnwer questions correctly in the Father's confrontation near the end, you can get the epic Father Owns Mortimer ending - no spear or lance required! I do not know what would happen if you DON'T please Azazul and fail his confrontation though... I suspect a bad fate... I'll have to find out sometime!
Messaggio originale di Miejoe:
Is there a way to save our dear uncle, Gregory?

I love the foreshadowing with the myth of Zeus and Cronus. Mortimer sees himself as Zeus, his goal is to overthrow his Father, who he considers his Cronus. But during a bad ending, he ends up devouring his son Louis like Cronus devoured his sons. In a good ending, Louis/Zeus kills Cronus/Mortimer.

During my first ending, I died because I trusted my dear old dad and gave him the lance.

During my second ending, stabbed dad with the lance after distracting him with the Al Azif which I found in a chest, then made it off the island.

Yes - to save Gregory, let Father (who is in the painting to the side in Holm's dreams) posess you. You will have to please him, and DO NOT try to read his mind or you get thrown out of that painting and cannot access the Father related endings. If all goes well, he saves Gregory.
Messaggio originale di crazyjockey:
Can anyone tell me where to find the person starting with A (can't remember their name)?

In Holm's memory sequence, BEFORE solving it, go left and through the apinting there to Elizabeth's room... do not read his mind unless you want be be thrown straight out again!
Messaggio originale di TheFlame8:
Messaggio originale di bilsantu:
The correct one was the one in the center with the fire around it. Aka the one that they made look too obvious.
Meh. There were plenty of lances on fancy display stands.
Messaggio originale di 42Genius42:

Yes - to save Gregory, let Father (who is in the painting to the side in Holm's dreams) posess you. You will have to please him, and DO NOT try to read his mind or you get thrown out of that painting and cannot access the Father related endings. If all goes well, he saves Gregory.

Are you sure he saves Gregory? I don't think he saves him from death, but just from being devoured by Mortimer. Gregory still dies.
Messaggio originale di IronHat:
Messaggio originale di bilsantu:

I didn't even have the nail and it was the first time I found out about it, where

do you get it from?


it's actually the nail you used to open the secret chamber at the end of part 3. Presumbly Louis kept it on him.

if you use a logic choice on LM he will basically tell you that blood of an older demon is poisonous to younger demon. Jesus was a demon so the nail with his blood will work just as well.

It's basically there in case you failed to get the correct lance.

On the circular iris door puzzle underneath the garden maze, after that circular puzzle is solved, you can remove one of the nails back out of the stone circle. This didn't make sense to me at the time, but it sure came in handy at the end of the game, since it fits Mortimer's definition of a demon-killing weapon as well as the spear does.
In regards to Bilsantu's original question of our endings, my ending had:

Louis defeated Mortimer with a nail from the cross while Emma and a servant-possed Emily were Louis' psychic backup singers. Both women presumably made it to the pier, but Louis died in the front hall of the mansion due to von Wollner's poison finally catching up.

Louis found Al Azif, but I assume the book never made it back to the continental mainland. I didn't realize Azalal existed until after I had finished the game and started reading other players' comments. I wasn't able to save Elizabeth Adams early in the story, nor was I able to save Peru or Sarah.

I shot the wrong twin and didn't realize it until late in the game. I discovered today via everyone's comments that I had found the right spear, but I hadn't used it. At the time, I wasn't sure that I had the right spear; I had thought the cardinal's verbal advice on the spear's apperance was a red herring rather than an actual clue.

I never got to have sex with Emily nor see her in her underwear. (The later scene with Emma in bed was offscreen.)

I did get to slap Napoleon upside the head for being a self-absorbed twit, though.

I still have no idea what the cardinal's last-minute name on his sealed letter was, since Louis chose to honor the agreement to never open it. Likewise, I'm still curious who or what was inside the sarcophagus of Mortimer AND what Waldo the myna bird was for.

(Also, Louis is still missing his left hand because I miscalucated the phases of the moon. So close, yet so far.)
You can defeat LM yourself with the nail or lance, but you need to have the Al Azif to get him to let his guard down.

You can defeat LM with the Hillsborrow sisters with the nail or lance. You have to tell Holm that you don't trust either him or LM and he will tell you to see Emily.

You can defeat LM with A. Either succeed in the ether talking to him or side with Holm and let him enter you to call A.Of course you need to succeed in the confrontation with A before the final showdown with LM.
I got the "join the family" ending
Ultima modifica da Jackal; 10 dic 2018, ore 6:15
Messaggio originale di forced2beronin:
Louis' psychic backup singers
LOL, good one.
How do you save Emily from the Ether???? I couldn't find any way to do it.
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