About Pavel.

[Hyuu62772]

What did you do to him on the Red Square level (At least on your first playthrough)? He really grew on me and I liked him a lot. That until his betrayal. He says that he's just following his orders and tries to recruit you into the red line but then just leaves you to die by interrogation torture. If it weren't for that kid Artyom would have died there.

Then you find him again and he points his gun at you, only to escape shortly after. And then, he decidedly ambushes you and unleashes his troops on you, mocking you and calling you bad names. When you defeat him and the dark kid takes you with him to the damned souls’ cemetery, he has the nerve to call you 'Friend' again, only to save himself.

What did you do there? I feel like he never cared about Artyom and only manipulated you. I let him die to an eternity of suffering from the damned souls.

(I didn't judge him for the genocide with that biological weapon, because Artyom commited a much worse slaughter against an innocent species. It would be hypocrital to do so).

Now I'm thinking that maybe he indeed considered Artyom a friend, but was forced to betray him out of loyalty and circumstance. What would you do if the president of your country forced you to betray a friend or else he kills you?

[Degenerate Trap]

All is fair in love and war. Pavel is a soldier, and he is loyal to his ideology and the state. If he can use you as an asset, he will use you as an asset. At least that's how he survive in this world where conventional ethnic doesn't exist anymore.

On the other hand, he is probably just another soldier, and soldier doesn't know much about politic behind the line unless they reach colonel or higher. Why? because he had no clearance. Other people may say a major, even a captain would know. Yes that is true, but that is based on the world where society still exist and information is readily available if you want to search for it provided you would still keep your post and your life later, in this case, Pavel serve a communist dictatorship regime so he would know best to stay out of politic until he sit on his own chair in the party.

Pavel would be a good friend to you only if you were serving the communist regime which was possible since the true leadership in this game wanted to install you as an agent, but the game doesn't allow you to do so.

Now that you have proven yourself to not align with the communist ideology, Pavel consider you to be an enemy. But deep inside he know it was a waste of time since he do like you. But it's better to have a dead enemy than a live friend who happens to be on the enemy side, who will eventually kill your comrades, or sabotage your nation's operation. This was not the first time in our history where people killed their respectable friends and cried soon after. Pavel fits this bill.

Your question is very western since it says Ask what the state can do for you, and ask what you can do for yourself. The eastern way would be more like Ask what the state can do for you and ask what you can do for the state. Pavel is from the eastern ideology, he believes in what the state can do to his people, in this case propaganda of equality, order, and stability as seen in his dinning dialogue. What he probably doesn't know is the people serve his communist state through fear as seen with the server, the old man was so scared he was shaking.

So the true question that is loreful here would be...What would you do if your friend won't join your side and actually fight against you and your nation? Your friend might even sabotage the war effort in the future and turn the tide of war against you?

All is fair in love and war. Pavel saved you from the Nazi, you saved him from execution. Pavel saved you from the flying thingy, so I saved him by not pulling the trigger.

[♠.brT]

On my first playthrough (in the original Last Light) I killed him without a 2nd thought.

The fight to get to him is one of the most frustrating fights you can ever throw at a player that is unaware of what is about to happen, and that was me in the original game. Because i was playing on the highest difficulty setting, i was STARVING for ammo and filters, i was basically taking guns from people I knocked down or killed because i didn't had anything else with ammo on it.
To be in that situation and be thrown into an ambush like that in red square, man that was frustrating. I died, i died.... and died so more, it was one the most frustrating gaming experiences i had. And then when i won the fight and then had to go chase Pavel through the building, it was even more frustrating because he straight up has aimbots, it is so unfair, and so gamey, that i just couldn't take it, I killed him with a smile on my face.

I didn't had any feelings against him prior to that, the betrayal was really not that surprising to me, it kinda reminded me of Bourbon, he was going to betray Artyom on the first opportunity. "yeah, i'll give you my AK" right, and the bullets will come as a bonus too.

But the fight to get to him, the developers made me hate him for that.

Now with the Redux version, i'm not sure if its my knowledge about the game or the devs made it easier, but i didn't struggled as much as i did previously, still a pain though, especially the chasing after Pavel through the building part, in my last playthrough i decided to remove my mask and just face tank my way through the building in order to get to him, it's really annoying.

Pavel is not really that bad of a guy, Like you said, his "evil acts" are no more evil than what Artyom did, if Pavel deserves enternal damnation, Artyom should not expect anything different.

[kreativername]

I spared him. He had to betray Artyom and at least tried to save him by offering him to join the Red Line. He realised that he no longer could be friends with Artyom and probably didn´t know that Artyom was hunting him down and was probably confused, so he ran away at Venice.
Later, he had to act loyal in front of his soldiers, because the whole Red Line is quite paranoid about spys and traitors. And during the fight against Artyom, he realised that he would be killed by his best friend, just because he wanted to be loyal to the Red Line. Which is why he was sad after the fight, as the dark one said.

[RT Idaho]

I killed him with no remorse because I hate comminust.

Especially when he betrayed me after I saved him from being hanged.

[Rubenjackson]

Originally posted by Kalashnikov:

I killed him with no remorse because I hate comminust.

Especially when he betrayed me after I saved him from being hanged.

Uhhh, how spiteful you are.

[RT Idaho]

Originally posted by Rubenjackson:

Originally posted by Kalashnikov:

I killed him with no remorse because I hate comminust.

Especially when he betrayed me after I saved him from being hanged.

Uhhh, how spiteful you are.

I'LL ♥♥♥♥♥ DO IT AGAIN

[Reuz]

Originally posted by Kalashnikov:

I killed him with no remorse because I hate comminust.

Especially when he betrayed me after I saved him from being hanged.

good communist is dead communist.

[RT Idaho]

Originally posted by Reuz:

Originally posted by Kalashnikov:

I killed him with no remorse because I hate comminust.

Especially when he betrayed me after I saved him from being hanged.

good communist is dead communist. :csgo_dead:

Artyom how many people have you killed?

None I've only killed communist...

[Zombits]

He betrays and lead you to a torture room , then He tried to kill Artyomitch . Can't be trusted in a survival apocalypse, got to switch him off for self defence at least lol.

[Catbeard Beardcat]

I saved him, because I'm a communist too. Also, Pavel wasn't a bad guy by character, he just did what he had to do. Sovetskiy Soyuz!