Magic The Gathering?

[Jimbo The Hutt]

I know this is a stupid question, but would it be possible to create a couple of Magic The Gathering Decks in this game with the custom decks? And I know that there are MTG games on steam already...

[Tim_Fragmagnet]

It is possible. Especially with the gatherer site giving you the face images for every card ever.

[Heron]

Wizards of the coast are not exactly the friendliest bunch when it comes to copyright issues. So its a no im afraid

[Tim_Fragmagnet]

Originally posted by Heron:

Wizards of the coast are not exactly the friendliest bunch when it comes to copyright issues. So its a no im afraid

They have no rule over this.
The gatherer website already has all the face images for every card.
All you're really doing in this game is just moving images around and saying words.
Now if the developer included MTG decks by default, THEN they would have rule over it.

In short. You can do the same exact thing IRL and Wizards can't do anything about it.
Just take the images and print them onto paper and go LOOK MTG CARDS.
It's no different from making an ingame custom deck.

Of course those paper cards wouldn't fly whatsoever at tournaments. But that's not an issue here anyway.

[Jimbo The Hutt]

If I created two decks, and wanted to play with a person, would I have to send them the deck, or can I spawn them in for them?

[Tim_Fragmagnet]

Originally posted by InsaneM0nk3y:

If I created two decks, and wanted to play with a person, would I have to send them the deck, or can I spawn them in for them?

If you're the host you can spawn them in for them.

[Jimbo The Hutt]

Originally posted by Tim_Fragmagnet:

Originally posted by InsaneM0nk3y:

If I created two decks, and wanted to play with a person, would I have to send them the deck, or can I spawn them in for them?

If you're the host you can spawn them in for them.

Thanks :D

[Nimgif]

Try and do a google search for OCTGN, i think you will be find something you could use. :)

[Tim_Fragmagnet]

Originally posted by -Nimgif-:

Try and do a google search for OCTGN, i think you will be find something you could use. :)

Yeah but then it's not in magical 3D phsyics nonsense.

[Murfinator]

I've just published a squirrel deck onto the TTS Nexus. You can play around with that until more decks have been made.

I think I'll make the Decks from the 2009 Duels of the Planeswalkers game next. They were some of the most balanced decks I've every played together with.

http://www.nexusmods.com/tabletopsimulator/mods/22/?

[☭ Soli ☭]

Originally posted by Tim_Fragmagnet:

Originally posted by Heron:

Wizards of the coast are not exactly the friendliest bunch when it comes to copyright issues. So its a no im afraid

They have no rule over this.
The gatherer website already has all the face images for every card.
All you're really doing in this game is just moving images around and saying words.
Now if the developer included MTG decks by default, THEN they would have rule over it.

In short. You can do the same exact thing IRL and Wizards can't do anything about it.
Just take the images and print them onto paper and go LOOK MTG CARDS.
It's no different from making an ingame custom deck.

Of course those paper cards wouldn't fly whatsoever at tournaments. But that's not an issue here anyway.

That's... Not how copyright law works. Wizards probably *wouldn't* do anything to stop a user mod like this (especially since they probably wouldn't even hear about it unless it really catches on in the MtG community), but they absolutely *could*.

The Gatherer site is run by Wizards. They are including their own copyrighted text and images on their own website - no copyright issue there. That does NOT give you the right to make copies of that text and those images and use them for something else. That is, quite literally, what the term 'copyright' means - the right to make copies.

The only legal difference between an individual modder making an MtG mod and the devs including it by default is that, since the devs are selling the game for money, it would be harder to win a fair use defense in court. There is no absolute rule that for-profit activities can't be fair use, but it weighs heavily against a finding of fair use. It's unlikely that even a free community mod would survive on fair use, though, since the mod would directly compete with paid products like Magic Online and physical Magic cards. Whether the alleged infringer is making a profit is less important in fair use analysis than whether the copyright holder might potentially lose profit.

However, there is a big PRACTICAL difference: Wizards is less likely to want to sue some individual gamer and Magic fan than a company. It could lead to bad press, and they probably wouldn't be able to claim any monetary damages or even recover legal fees from the defendant.

[Araganor]

Originally posted by Murfinator:

I've just published a squirrel deck onto the TTS Nexus. You can play around with that until more decks have been made.

I think I'll make the Decks from the 2009 Duels of the Planeswalkers game next. They were some of the most balanced decks I've every played together with.

http://www.nexusmods.com/tabletopsimulator/mods/22/?

Please let me know when you are finished with those, the ones you made are really high quality and I would love to have the DotP decks for use with my friends.

[Feline Entity]

Originally posted by Soli:

The Gatherer site is run by Wizards.

Yes. Yes it is. That's why they just curse the mod if they don't like it.

On a more serious note, copyright is very murky in that sense and everyone seems to have a different "fact". Best is to keep it low, maybe change the name (tradmarks and stuff) and be tolerant if the "authorities" wants your mod taken down.

[Lordy]

If you create the decks and play against your friends in private there is absolutley nothing wizards can do. Because they won't know and can't know. Just like they can't raid your house for printed cards. You don't have to publish them online to use the.

[Tera_GX]

I remember Beat Hazard has some precedent on the concerns about this. The developers decided against letting the game stream a player's custom-added music to other players since companies might try to sue explaining that the game provides the means to listen to music they don't own. I'm not sure I'm expressing that accurately, but there is indeed grounds upon which to fear legal action (toward the developers).

I still haven't forgotten about Wizards of the Coast successfully suing Yu-Gi-Oh over the use of the word "Magic", some basic vocabulary which is also a core element of most fiction...

[USBonerPatrol]

yes mtg isn't huge but you can always find a room. we all use frogtown.me you just type in the name of the card you want in the deck and that website will make the deck for you you just import it into your save file and the site tells you how to do that so its all extremely user friendly. been doing this for years so don't fret over whatever issue those guys are debating.