Tabletop Simulator

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Why exactly is there a "single player" option..?
When there is no AI?

The definition of "single player" means you can play solo.
But moving both sides of a chess/ checkers board is VERY misleading.. and is really not single player.

Because if it were, then any game in the world including every MP only game, CSGO, TF2, DOTA etc is "also" sinlgle player.
Ergo..Just fire up your own private, own server (and have LOADS of fun) running around on your own = hey presto --"Single player." .. Yeah..NO. :steamfacepalm:

Surely a basic chess /checkers /poker single player AI wouldn't be that difficult to implement. Even just for these types of game.?
D&D would be awesome.. but that I would imagine is asking too much? :steamsad:

Shame though as it would add a whole new demographic of purchaser. :steamhappy:
Última edição por 💎 Andy 💎; 21/fev./2016 às 7:04
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Dig65 21/fev./2016 às 16:19 
Everyone is being very kind to you, Andy, instead of pointing out that you are criticizing a thing you don't even understand (TTS, which is a tool for simulating tabletop gaming) by insisting that it have another thing which you don't understand (AI), and failing to recognize that TTS does have an appropriate method for users to create their own AI (scripting). TTS is not a collection of games, and the developers are not creating interactive video games. You might as well be asking why the Hubble telescope doesn't have pontoons. You don't have any clue what you're talking about (no matter your age).

I think you should either buy TTS and show us how smart you are by building a mod with a good AI, or go actually research and find a different game that will fit your needs. My conclusion is that TTS is not a good fit for you.
💎 Andy 💎 21/fev./2016 às 16:30 
Escrito originalmente por Dig65:
Everyone is being very kind to you, Andy, instead of pointing out that you are criticizing a thing you don't even understand (TTS, which is a tool for simulating tabletop gaming) by insisting that it have another thing which you don't understand (AI), and failing to recognize that TTS does have an appropriate method for users to create their own AI (scripting). TTS is not a collection of games, and the developers are not creating interactive video games. You might as well be asking why the Hubble telescope doesn't have pontoons. You don't have any clue what you're talking about (no matter your age).

I think you should either buy TTS and show us how smart you are by building a mod with a good AI, or go actually research and find a different game that will fit your needs. My conclusion is that TTS is not a good fit for you.


I didn't bother reading past the first absurdly patronizing line of this post...
But it did make me chuckle.. :steammocking:

Lol. Adios amigos.
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Dig65 21/fev./2016 às 16:52 
Bye, Felicia.
TDuncker 21/fev./2016 às 17:25 
>>> "Why exactly is there a "single player" option..? When there is no AI?"
To either play as a single player or edit. Singleplayer doesn't mean AI and has never directly done.

>>> "The definition of "single player" means you can play solo."
Yes, and you can, just not in chess. TTS wasn't ever made with the intention to be a singleplayer game. It's a simulator of real life boardgames, not a boardgame itself.

>>> "Because if it were, then any game in the world including every MP only game, CSGO, TF2, DOTA etc is "also" sinlgle player."
All of these games have AIs and can be played singleplayer

>>> "Surely a basic chess /checkers /poker single player AI wouldn't be that difficult to implement. Even just for these types of game.?"
No, they won't, and without knowing for sure, pretty sure they can't make a decently challenging one because of skill limitations(chess). AIs are hard as ♥♥♥♥.

>>> "D&D would be awesome.. but that I would imagine is asking too much?"
If you did this, you'd win a nobel prize for the world's best AI.

>>> "Shame though as it would add a whole new demographic of purchaser"
It would give nearly nothing compared to what you put into it. Tabletop Simulator simulates real life. It is NOT a game by itself. There's good chess AIs in so many places for free. If you ever bought Tabletop Simulator for that purpose, you looked past the title, the store page's description and thought an indie team could program a better chess game than the world's best AI developers for chess.
BossGalaga 21/fev./2016 às 18:54 
Actually, you could play a game of chess say with a friend using the same computer in single player mode.
UnLuckyCat 21/fev./2016 às 21:22 
This is pretty funny actually. He's basically asking the devs to code every game ever made for free like it's nothing.

But instead of another crappy "350 Games in One" toy your parents always bought you which is just full of the worst version of anything else you could find, I'd rather the framework to make even just one good game.

Even if you think it's lazy to have all the content be user submitted, so long as they fix issues and implement new features for the community to experiment with, then they're doing a good job.

Sorry to hear you'd rather all their updates be "TTS now has a worse version of chess than the one bundled with Windows!"
ZenMonkey 22/fev./2016 às 16:23 
Escrito originalmente por Andy:
When there is no AI?

The definition of "single player" means you can play solo.
But moving both sides of a chess/ checkers board is VERY misleading.. and is really not single player.

Because if it were, then any game in the world including every MP only game, CSGO, TF2, DOTA etc is "also" sinlgle player.
Ergo..Just fire up your own private, own server (and have LOADS of fun) running around on your own = hey presto --"Single player." .. Yeah..NO. :steamfacepalm:

Surely a basic chess /checkers /poker single player AI wouldn't be that difficult to implement. Even just for these types of game.?
D&D would be awesome.. but that I would imagine is asking too much? :steamsad:

Shame though as it would add a whole new demographic of purchaser. :steamhappy:


Escrito originalmente por Andy:
Escrito originalmente por Baryonyx:
The thing is that this game is not made to be a single player game with an AI. The option of single player is there for you to prepare boards used in multiplayer so you can load them up from a save instead of having to create them in the multiplayer room.
The developers said before that they consider adding AI at some point but it seems to be no priority task and will naturally only be very limited to the base games unless they release the ability for players to create AIs for games (related to the recent scripting mechanic maybe?)


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The option of single player is there, because there are a lot of card games and board games that can be played without more than one person. They're not saying that you can play checkers or chess without another person. They're saying you can play solitaire, or any of the co-op board games, without another person.

Thanks guys for the feedback.

And...

1, what a major disappointment.. sigh.

2, This point is so ridiculously obvious, I am amazed they haven't got it as top priority.
They have released an amazing MP game that caters to ALL mp aspirations..."job done"

So why on earth dont they now, utilizing the building blocks that are already in place, which are already pleasing all the multiplayer's.
Add an extensive AI system, so users can create any, and ALL games including D&D in both in MP and SP.
Attracting many more purchasers. As thousand of SP gamer's who would LOVE to play all these amazing games..

Just look at how wildly popular isometric D&D games are to the SP demographic, from Baldurs gate, to Pillars of Eternity, and the scores in between..
Now combine that Solo enthusiasm, over decades... with the original "virtual" paper and pen game, and then re-market this gem with that ALL NEW ability. with both full MP and full SP.

For any MP's, I am in no way saying (lets be selfish) and turn this into a solo game. I am saying with the implementation choice, so peeps can EITHER play MP or SP, this title could be legend.

Please if any (MP only FTW folks read this) please dont come back and say "this game is MP only."
Because this game could be something for everyone.:steamhappy:
That's like asking why don't your board games and card games come with a friend or a robot to play with. It's a board game card game simulator.
Bojan 23/fev./2016 às 1:43 
Eeeh, if you only knew how many time I've spend in singleplayer.
Question is: are u lazy that much that you can't have fun by yourself moving and setting things by yourself?

Take for exsample Eldritch Horror. Nice game,could last up to 3-6 h, lol.
Take 3 investigators by random, take 1 ancient one by random and play it alone moving all investigators and doing a game AI.
Totally possible. Game is super-thematic, engaging and you will find yourself in next 3 h making very tough decisions...

Then, there is a Shadows of Brimstone. Another thematic game set in the Wild West vs Cthulhu.
Basically D&D simplified, can be played alone. Make your party of 2-4 cowboys and go into some heavy adventuring.

Anything is possible in TTS if you just have time and will.
And these two games I mentioned are just few of many you can play in singleplayer.
Calloused 23/fev./2016 às 1:57 
Yeah...AI wouldnt work. TO code an AI thats capable of being a DM for D&D, where using examples like Neverwinter Nights and Baldurs Gate falls on its face because those are built to run a single pre-determined path with only a little area of variety in how you reach the end of that path.
You'd just be running the same campaigns over and over again, following a set formula, which kills the whole concept of tabletop pen and paper games, they are games where a basic framework is worked out by the GM ahead of time, that evolves and changes to completely different concept all together.
My last D&D campaign featured my half-orc thief deciding he wanted to be a pit fighting champion so he could use his winnings to open a shoe store, for no reason other than I thought he might be really into shoes, would never happen with a scripted AI, so I cant use my imagination, the games parameters cant change based on my imagination, combined with the rest of the people involved as actions are taken.

If a game like Dead of Winter for example used an AI, they wouldn't be able to handle the variety of situations, they wouldn't be able to program them with the same paranioa, suspicion and deductive reasoning to be like "I think you are the traitor, I am calling for a vote", they'd also be poor in the voting phase because what parameters would they have to work from in that situation?

Wargaming? AI in strategy games get to be fairly predictable, so say I had a game of 40K with an AI, it wouldnt take long to work out the formula they were using, and exploit it. They'd also have problems with creating their armies, where you would end up doing the majority of the work yourself.

The only way it'd be feasible is to take a small selection of preset games, purchase the license for thme to release them as official DLC, removing any workshop content for the associated games because they'd be infringing on that product, then spending monthes to years just trying to create functional AI's for them.
Its not practical financially or in terms of manhours, we'd lose a ton of content from the workshop for the sake of a handful of games, and they'd have to put aside set resources specifically to handle the problems that came up with the AI - Programmers, testers, quality control, time and money.
Its not worth it in the short or long run.
NoSoup4you 23/fev./2016 às 10:47 
I can't adequately express how much I hate people like this.
Fletch 23/fev./2016 às 11:35 
Escrito originalmente por Scrub_Niggurath:
I can't adequately express how much I hate people like this.

Calm down though dude. He doesn't know what he's talking about, but he hasn't hurt anybody.
Mr. Moose 24/fev./2016 às 14:31 
I play single player all the time. I really enjoy playing Pandemic (a multiplayer game) by myself. I just take the role of multiple people.
ZenMonkey 24/fev./2016 às 18:09 
Escrito originalmente por Fletch:
Escrito originalmente por Scrub_Niggurath:
I can't adequately express how much I hate people like this.

Calm down though dude. He doesn't know what he's talking about, but he hasn't hurt anybody.
Can't stop laughing lol
Marquise* 25/fev./2016 às 14:57 
When I try to do modelsm or set some landscape for a rPG I like being alone or just invite one person that won<t just flip my settings out or surprise folks!
Kapple 28/fev./2016 às 11:24 
Escrito originalmente por Dig65:
Everyone is being very kind to you, Andy, instead of pointing out that you are criticizing a thing you don't even understand (TTS, which is a tool for simulating tabletop gaming) by insisting that it have another thing which you don't understand (AI), and failing to recognize that TTS does have an appropriate method for users to create their own AI (scripting). TTS is not a collection of games, and the developers are not creating interactive video games. You might as well be asking why the Hubble telescope doesn't have pontoons. You don't have any clue what you're talking about (no matter your age).

I think you should either buy TTS and show us how smart you are by building a mod with a good AI, or go actually research and find a different game that will fit your needs. My conclusion is that TTS is not a good fit for you.

I agree, he's speaking as though his opinion is a popular opinion. Creating AI in a video game is extremely hard to do, let alone expect the Devs to create something that allows you to create AI for something as complicated as CUSTOM BOARD/CARD GAMES.

Andy is being incredibly obnoxious. As previously said, there is already singleplayer games, but creating AI for board games is both incredibly hard and near impossible due to the fact that Board games are meant to be played with FRIENDS and to have a LAUGH with, you simply can't do that with AI.
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