Phaeton > everything else.

[Yuan Shikai]

The year is 1949. After spending the entire 1930s on the GCM award best Phaeton in the world, my Diamond Motors Thames has had its components modified in 1945 and is now the ONLY and BEST SELLING Phaeton in the entire world.
My question is, does the gravy train stop at some point? Or does my Phaeton continue to EXCEL in ALL things PHAETON and continue the unstoppable juggernaut that is the Diamond Motors Thames Phaeton?! Also, Phaeton rhymes with Satan and must be considered the premier car for evil activities and general chicanery around town. Thank you.

[Eric.B]

In game, the phaeton is discontinued around that time. So no other phaetons are being made. When mod tools come around and it's easier for me to edit the turnevents.xml file, you'll notice a steep uncontrollable decline in popularity as well.

So in short, be prepaid to switch to something else, phaetons are being phased out.

[Yuan Shikai]

I prepare the sports and other replacements for the halycon days of Phaeton glory. But the Phaeton shall live on in my company's halls of glory, its yellow body and premium styling reflecting old times that are not soon forgotten!

[slipf18]

What I wouldn't give for an early 30's Cadillac V16 Phaeton.

There is a very small niche today. You can buy a Cobra. It is sort of like a kit car modeled after the authentic Cobra but there are several companies that build it complete. Most are bought by sports car enthusiasts or racers. They are expensive and very fast.

Since it has no roof or windows, I suppose it is, a phaeton.

[Eric.B]

Cobra's, Morgans, and other modern roofless cars are all more roadsters than phaetons. They still remain in the game.

Phaetons are carryovers from the pre-otto engine days. Example[upload.wikimedia.org] and are pretty much the same thing as runabouts Example[http//Example] which is why they're not in the game (though I suppose someone will mod them in someday.)

Anyhoo, eventually Phaetons became more like Touring cars (the older ones, not modern ones.) In that they became larger. After Touring cars started to morph into sporty driving cars, the Phaetons would become even larger. Most of them surpassing full sized vehicles, but with no roof. ***There are notable exceptions of course, such as the 32 Fords and the Willys etc, however most of those vehicles can be classified as something else as well.***

The last few examples of Phaetons from the 30s and 40s are HUGE compared to the roadsters you mention (the Cobra and the Morgan.) Example[upload.wikimedia.org]
Example 2[upload.wikimedia.org]

To give you real world stats, AC Cobra has a wheel base of 90" where as The Cadillac V16 you mention has 152" wheelbase... The Imperial Parade Phaeton I linked (last picture) has a wheel base of around 140" and is from the same time period as the AC.

[Yuan Shikai]

Phaeton was from the time when being a man with some wealth meant you drove a car longer then a semi-trailer and the equivalent of 4 microcar engines cylinders onboard. When you didn't need a roof because your indomintable hair and tough leathery manskin beat back the elements. When gas mileage was something other people worried about. When luxury meant being fast and also being turned into confetti during a wreck! When lesser cars would naturally move aside as the Phaeton gracefully elbowed past like a great white shark sliding past lesser sharks! The hallowed glory of bygone yesteryears is present in the Phaeton! Look at it and remember a golden era of automotive excellence!

[sh8mz]

Originally posted by Eric.B:

In game, the phaeton is discontinued around that time. So no other phaetons are being made. When mod tools come around and it's easier for me to edit the turnevents.xml file, you'll notice a steep uncontrollable decline in popularity as well.

So in short, be prepaid to switch to something else, phaetons are being phased out.

As I mentioned in another post, you removing Phaeton and Town Cars at a given point in time is absolutely wrong, and also in contrast to real world. There are several examples for Phaeton and Town Cars after the date you set in game. Few famous examples are Chrysler Phaeton 1997 and Cadillac Cimarron Duel Cowl Phaeton 1985. Although both were concept cars, that gives you enough evidence that terminating a body style is totally wrong. You may reconsider this.

[Eric.B]

Originally posted by sh8mz:

Originally posted by Eric.B:

In game, the phaeton is discontinued around that time. So no other phaetons are being made. When mod tools come around and it's easier for me to edit the turnevents.xml file, you'll notice a steep uncontrollable decline in popularity as well.

So in short, be prepaid to switch to something else, phaetons are being phased out.

As I mentioned in another post, you removing Phaeton and Town Cars at a given point in time is absolutely wrong, and also in contrast to real world. There are several examples for Phaeton and Town Cars after the date you set in game. Few famous examples are Chrysler Phaeton 1997 and Cadillac Cimarron Duel Cowl Phaeton 1985. Although both were concept care, that gives you enough evidence that terminating a Body Style is totally wrong. You may reconsider this.

I don't consider it wrong, as both are concept cars and have no market. (Thus why they never became more than concepts.) From a game engine stand point, the more I remove, the fast the AI will be. And on everything but the fastest machines, the AI is rather sluggish when playing with the full amount, late into the game.

In any event, as I mentioned the thread you're referring too, v1.22 will have mod tools and mod loading support. It'll be a simple couple of clicks to enable phaetons to last for all eternity.

[sh8mz]

Originally posted by Eric.B:

Originally posted by sh8mz:

As I mentioned in another post, you removing Phaeton and Town Cars at a given point in time is absolutely wrong, and also in contrast to real world. There are several examples for Phaeton and Town Cars after the date you set in game. Few famous examples are Chrysler Phaeton 1997 and Cadillac Cimarron Duel Cowl Phaeton 1985. Although both were concept care, that gives you enough evidence that terminating a Body Style is totally wrong. You may reconsider this.

I don't consider it wrong, as both are concept cars and have no market. (Thus why they never became more than concepts.) From a game engine stand point, the more I remove, the fast the AI will be. And on everything but the fastest machines, the AI is rather sluggish when playing with the full amount, late into the game.

In any event, as I mentioned the thread you're referring too, v1.22 will have mod tools and mod loading support. It'll be a simple couple of clicks to enable phaetons to last for all eternity.

We are looking forward to the mod tools then.

[Refurbished Hamster]

What about the Volkswagen Phaeton!?!?!?!?!??!??

LOL just kidding, Eric, you may slap me now.

[slipf18]

When I started palying this game I actually looked up what a Phaeton was.

"The term phaeton had historically described a light, open four-wheeled carriage. When automobiles arrived it was applied to a light two-seater with minimal coachwork." This is from Wikipedia which my daughter tells me is not a credible source haha. However, it can be found elsewhere.

That is why I thought the Cobra could be considered a phaeton in its original form.

The Phaeton absolutely did grow to be a monstrous vehicle over time and it is that vehicle which most defined the term.

[Refurbished Hamster]

It would have to be a Volkswagen Covered Double Phaeton, though.

[Refurbished Hamster]

And Wikipedia is, in my opinion, one of the more credible sources out there - when used properly. Find the thing on the Wiki page, open the source, then decide if that source is trustworthy. 9.5 times out of 10, you'll decide that it is. So you're never really using Wikipedia as a source.

[Eric.B]

Well, from my days part time teaching school (which is what paid for most of GC's start up costs,) almost all technophobic teachers (the majority) dismiss Wikipedia as evil, and it should never be used what so ever. Mainly because anyone can write anything on it.

Pay little mind to the fact that for ~$5/yr you can set up your own website, your own domain, and write whatever you want.

My advice to students when I was teaching "Technology" consisted of this: "If you're looking up something that is not important to your life, wikipedia is great! If you're looking up something that is important, such as something you're going to use in work, school, personal, financial, or anything you're going to attach your name to, it is better to use Wikipedia as no more than an idea page for further research."

Phaetons ultimately don't matter in most of ya'lls lives. Nor is your names attached to your forum posts. So have at it.

As for GC, I have used Wikipedia for somethings, but not for others. Hard data in the game, such as per capita incomes and population figures for cities/regions are cited from books and other materials from the time period that is needed.

However, unimportant soft things, such as Manufacturer's histories that load in the "Did you know" page while your turn is processing is mostly sourced from Wikipedia. Granted I am breaking my "work" rule. I do clearly state it's from Wikipedia, and ultimately I don't really need to spend ~that~ much time working on them.

Anyhoo, now I have thrown this thread off topic. :)

[Refurbished Hamster]

I'll clarify what I meant about Wikipedia. MOST of the time, Wikipedia sources tend to be pretty good sources. Yes, anyone can start a website, but I'm talking about taking, for instance, car information from a published car historian's book, or weather information from weather.gov, or current events information from bbc.com. It's also often checked by a third party.

That's why I said that if you actually *look* at the source, and decide the source feels legit, Wikipedia can be an awesome resource because someone else put that info there for you to easily find and digest.

[xt6wagon]

In my current game phaeton is still strong in the early 30's, but micro, and compact cars are just as popular using the same parts and sliders.

mayhe you are just seeing the effects of selling a car cheap enough that its going to sell no matter what it is because thats all a large segment of the population can afford?