No Points for Pickpocketing? [Unhidden Spoilers]

[sanjmerchant]

So, I'm a Rogue, going for Ultimate Rogue. The points list at the end of this guide ( http://crystalshard.net/dls/HQguide.pdf ) suggests that I should get the 3 points for acquiring the figurine, regardless of whether I pickpocket it or whether I am given it as a reward. But I just pickpocketed it and no dice. No "Score +3" popup, and checking a save game right before and right after shows no difference in the Score entry on the Character Sheet. Is that guide just flat wrong?

I know if I'm going for Ultimate Rogue I have to get Hreithmar's Chest anyway, and I know from experience I can just pickpocket the chest back from Regin, but, come on, I'm a Rogue, why would I pay for anything when I can get it for free?

PS: On the subject of not paying for squat, is it possible to steal Volund's Ice Pick or Eitri's Harp? (Though stealing the latter might screw up getting the points for "Finish storytime with Eitri".)

[Rithm Fluffderg]

You can't steal Volund's ice pick because breaking into the blacksmith's shop *always* results in an immediate game over, and I don't think he carries it on him.

As for pickpocketing the harp, I... don't actually know.

I will say I got the points for pickpocketing the Eitur, and I've beaten the game as a max score Rogue by pickpocketing the figurine before, so I'm guessing the points are all there.

[Radiant]

In this case, the three points are for completing Regin's quest, not for obtaining his quest reward.

[sanjmerchant]

Originally posted by Space Wizard Zach:

You can't steal Volund's ice pick because breaking into the blacksmith's shop *always* results in an immediate game over, and I don't think he carries it on him.

Yeah, that's what I thought the case might be. I've gotten the auto-game over from breaking into the smithy before, which I assume is there to prevent sequence breaking by stealing the Eye in Chapter 1 or 2, and I don't seem to be able to palm it off the table while the shop is open; usually an unsuccessful attempt at stealing gets you a message like "you try, but aren't inconspicuous enough." Trying to pick up the Ice Pick while in stealth mode just gives Volund's standard "Come talk to me if you want to buy anything," message.

As for pickpocketing the harp, I... don't actually know.

I guess that means I gotta grind Thievery until I can pickpocket him... her... them and see if the Harp comes up before I empty the list.

I will say I got the points for pickpocketing the Eitur, and I've beaten the game as a max score Rogue by pickpocketing the figurine before, so I'm guessing the points are all there.

Maybe it's a bug to do with trying to do it while he's drinking in the tavern? Or trying to do it while the proverbial sword of Damocles (yes, wrong mythology) is hanging over the village in the form of Thrivaldi's planned assault? Or maybe I need to have resolved the Gem Cavern event, even if I'm pickpocketing the reward? I'll have to do some experimenting.

One last random question: can you get your scarf back (or get a new one without spoiling Loki's Trickster by killing a random Svartalf encounter) after you use it when breaking and entering Eitri's house? (Again Rogue = unreasoning greed)

[sanjmerchant]

Originally posted by Radiant:

In this case, the three points are for completing Regin's quest, not for obtaining his quest reward.

OK, so the points list I linked is just outright wrong about that. Good to know.

[Rithm Fluffderg]

Originally posted by sanjmerchant:

One last random question: can you get your scarf back (or get a new one without spoiling Loki's Trickster by killing a random Svartalf encounter) after you use it when breaking and entering Eitri's house? (Again Rogue = unreasoning greed)

Unfortunately I do believe that the scarf is lost forever for you at that point.

It would've been neat if you could've had a rope and grappling hook that you could've used to fish the scarf back up, but no such tool exists for the Rogue-Heroine.

[sanjmerchant]

So, for the few reading, I can confirm: I pickpocketed Eitri until I got "You don't find anything worth stealing," (which is the game's way of saying, "you've got all you're getting from this target"), and no Harp. I derped a bit and forgot to see if it could be found during a breakin, but I doubt it. Most guides point to getting the flowers honestly (ie by trading), but I am specifically holding out to see if I can get them out of the Klein Bottle while robbing the place.

Pickpocketing the Figurine from Regin before you give him the Chest doesn't interfere with getting points for the latter, which would be consistent with Space Wizard Zach's experience.

So far, things* you can't get except by either buying them or as combat spoils are: caltrops (has anyone ever used caltrops?), the Sand in Eye maneuver, and an ice pick. (Dis)honorable mention to the Magic Harp, since you don't pay cash for it, but you do have to trade honestly for it (even if you just pickpocket back whatever you traded away for it).

(Not listing stuff like the Dragonscale Armor because, even though you give up the one and only Dragon Scale you can get without combat, in fiction, you technically get it back, just reshaped into wearable armor.)

*The list only includes stuff for vanilla Rogues, so I'm leaving off the heavy weapons, spell scrolls other than Shield, and the like.

EDIT:

I forgot to include Liff's amulet of protection (tentatively) it cannot be pickpocketed, but I've yet to test if it can be burgled.

Also, you need the ice pick to get the red gem; if you haven't gotten it already, it disappears when the Holt thaws (washed downstream and out of Jarnvidr, presumably).

So, I guess if we look at things that require either cash or winning combat, we thus far have:

*Caltrops (buy from Kraka, win from Duergar)
*Ice Pick (buy from Volund, win from Draug)
*Liff's Amulet (buy from Liff)
*Sand in Eye Maneuver (buy from Kraka)

Of these, only the Ice Pick appears to be required for a Rogue to get a full score.

Everything else, you can get as many, if not more, than you will need by a combination of burglary, pickpocketing, and using the right solutions to various puzzles.

[Rithm Fluffderg]

One of the nice things about being a Rogue is that it's very easy to make money.

Compared to the Sorceress where you're probably going to be staring at an empty wallet more often than not.

[sanjmerchant]

Originally posted by Space Wizard Zach:

One of the nice things about being a Rogue is that it's very easy to make money.

Compared to the Sorceress where you're probably going to be staring at an empty wallet more often than not.

Oh definitely. The only times I've ever wanted for money past day 3 or so is as a Sorceress going for a pacifist run (or as close as she gets).

Avoiding paying for anything (while still being Loki's Trickster compliant) was a self-imposed challenge. But, much like a pacifist Sorceress, you have to break your rule at least once if you want a 500 score. Although unlike the Pacifist Sorceress, the Cheapskate Rogue can still beat the game, just with a less than perfect score.