Stop defending Double or Nothing

[apathy]

Silence fanboys. I've played it again and again and again. I've given you the benefit of the doubt. DoN is impossible to do with skill or strat, it all boils down to LUCK.

I like the story mode... but DoN is a steaming pile of f**king BS.

Can safely say, the dealer doesn't "cheat" (unless the phone is used) but the game is spoonfeeding him the best items constantly. Cuffs, saws, inverters constantly. I can deal with phones and glasses but not those three in combo. Nothing I do matters. I am keeping track of the bullets, keeping track of the phone calls, keeping track of the inverted blanks. Nothing I do matters. If I play godly, it always boils down to a 50/50 in the end sooner of later - is it live or blank? shoot the dealer or yourself? and I always lose that miserable coin flip before I can get past 100K.

If I don't play like a god, I get destroyed in the 1st 3 rounds. If I play like a god, I get destroyed in the 2nd 3 rounds or 3rd 3 rounds.

A lot of you are no doubt using SAM. I refuse to. If only the dev scraps the sh*tty new items and fixes the progression. You can still get bad luck yeah, but at least you feel like its doable after a few tries.

[Zidane]

Im gonna play devil's advocate here

Since browsing the discussion pages and contributing there as well, i only noticed the discussion about DoN either being belittlement or just mindless arguments, it would be hypocritical to say DoN doesn't feel impossible, especially to get 1 Million bucks, but i honestly would rather focus my time on trying to figure out the best ways to achieve the, well, Achievement, which even includes trying to find game breaking bugs.

I feel like discussions like these, being meant as "call out posts" and accusing peoples of using cheats and insulting them will be a catalyst of a toxic fanbase, let's not become Undertale 2.0 okay?

[apathy]

When something is impossible to do legit with strats, and claims are made it was done via skill, accusations of cheating, are inevitable.

If you like the game, and don't care about its faults, good for you.
If you don't like the game, and want to talk about its faults, good for you.

I despise fanboys because they prevent devs and testers from realizing something is wrong and is in dire need of fixing, they are the ultimate yes-men.

[thebadman]

Originally posted by apathy:

A lot of you are no doubt using SAM.

HOLY PROJECTING.


Seriously though, 1st million is like tutorial of DoN, you are not aiming for billions yet(rip my 250M attempt ). If you consistently fail to get 18/21 wins, perhaps you need to expand scope of your planning to one or two loadouts ahead, bursting dealer down clearly does not seem to work.

[Kuroki]

It's truly random.
The strategy is to play the statistically best moves and solve kills.

I've gotten good items as much as the dealer has, but the first turn advantage lets you mitigate that. Sometimes, the dealer gets really good items. One time, the dealer got handcuffs and 2 saws on a 1L2B round with 2HP.
I had an inverter, cigs, a saw,
What's the best move you can do here?
Invert, saw, shoot.
33% of the time it will fail, which are decent odds to play with.

[Pug]

I agree the dealer usually gets the better items. But he often makes stupid decisions which is a huge advantage to the player. The game is more fun this way since you have to beat the lucky but stupid dealer using smart strategies.

[CyanCatMan]

This isnt it man.
Give information and examples to why the game is flawed.
Not start accusing people with little evidence but “They might do this”

[apathy]

Originally posted by Kuroki:

What's the best move you can do here?

That's not a problem.

The problem is I'm getting cucked by the dealer getting GOOD items, while I get only a inverter, cigs and expired meds. You're brown bread at that point. All you can do is hit R.

This problem is further exacerbated by the new match item resetting bug the dev refuses to admit is a bug and fix.

I mean, how f**king hard is it to COPY AND PASTE the same line of code in your little game that resets the items at the beginning of each and every round? Its not hard at all.

[Kuroki]

Originally posted by apathy:

Originally posted by Kuroki:

What's the best move you can do here?

That's not a problem.

The problem is I'm getting cucked by the dealer getting GOOD items, while I get only a inverter, cigs and expired meds. You're brown bread at that point. All you can do is hit R.

This problem is further exacerbated by the new match item resetting bug the dev refuses to admit is a bug and fix.

I mean, how f**king hard is it to COPY AND PASTE the same line of code in your little game that resets the items at the beginning of each and every round? Its not hard at all.

That's an extremely playable loadout. If you hit R at that point, you're only screwing yourself.
If its odd shells, or if there's more blanks than lives, hit the inverter and fire. If it's even, fire. If you take damage, smoke cigs. If he has adrenaline, smoke cigs at the start.
Continually fire at him until you reach the next round.
If the inverter fails on an odd, say 3/4, you'll be at 2/4. He will shoot at himself 3 times. In most scenarios, he will wind up shooting himself, and you get another shot at shooting him.

Its literally a skill issue.

[apathy]

Originally posted by CyanCatMan:

By that logic go do it yourself and post the fix for all to follow if its that easy.

Why would I do the dev's job for him and for free?

Originally posted by Kuroki:

That's an extremely playable loadout. If you hit R at that point, you're only screwing yourself.

The dealer only has to take one turn to destroy me, because, as you know, health randomizes per round. Some rounds are 2HP, if he's got cuffs, saw, and a glass, there's nothing I can do if I lose the RNG coin flip to him because I couldn't work out which bullet was live. It is a game of chance after all.

Its literally a skill issue.

Can you stop disrespecting yourself please? That's a 2020 meme, yet you are presenting it here as a counterargument, for a luck-based game.

This isn't a FPS or real-time strategy game, there is no skill issue here. Getting fu*ked by RNG is bad luck.

[CyanCatMan]

Bro really got upset over someone saying they have a skill issue.

Skill issue frfr

[Kuroki]

Originally posted by apathy:

Originally posted by CyanCatMan:

By that logic go do it yourself and post the fix for all to follow if its that easy.

Why would I do the dev's for him and for free?

Originally posted by Kuroki:

That's an extremely playable loadout. If you hit R at that point, you're only screwing yourself.

The dealer only has to take one turn to destroy me, because, as you know, health randomizes per round. Some rounds are 2HP, if he's got cuffs, saw, and a glass, there's nothing I can do if I lose the RNG coin flip to him because I couldn't work out which bullet was live. It is a game of chance after all.

Its literally a skill issue.

Can you stop disrespecting yourself please? That's a 2020 meme, yet you are presenting it here as a counterargument, for a luck-based game.

This isn't a FPS or real-time strategy game, there is no skill issue here. Getting fu*ked by RNG is bad luck.

So you take the coin flip and hope for the best. Everyone but you seems to think its a game of skill and statistics, and have no problem beating it. But I'm sure they're the problem. They must be cheating, nobody can possibly be smarter than you.

This is absolutely, 100%, a strategy game. If you think it isn't, then the problem is definitely you.

it's a 2020 meme but everyone has been telling me it's a skill issue and people still say skill issue in other forums too

cope

[apathy]

Originally posted by CyanCatMan:

Bro really got upset over someone saying they have a skill issue.

Skill issue frfr

I'm upset Mike doesn't care.

I'm confused why you're confusing luck for skill. The clue is in the title of the game you know?

[CyanCatMan]

Originally posted by apathy:

Originally posted by CyanCatMan:

Bro really got upset over someone saying they have a skill issue.

Skill issue frfr

I'm upset Mike doesn't care.

I'm confused why you're confusing luck for skill. The clue is in the title of the game you know?

Because you need to plan ahead and cant just click wildly and expect to win?

[RedSage]

Originally posted by Kuroki:

It's truly random.
The strategy is to play the statistically best moves and solve kills.

One time, the dealer got handcuffs and 2 saws on a 1L2B round with 2HP.
I had an inverter, cigs, a saw,
What's the best move you can do here?
Invert, saw, shoot.
33% of the time it will fail, which are decent odds to play with.

This. I feel like a lot of people complaining aren't applying an ounce of game theory, simply relying on odds and items.

I'll give an example of a situation I found myself in.

Say for example you're at the end of a round that had multiple lives and blanks and now you're down to a 1L:1B 50/50 where the dealer has 1 health and you have 2. You have nothing to check what's in the chamber. The dealer has a knife but no inverter though. What becomes the best course of action?

Assuming the live round is first, and you shoot the dealer, you win. If you shoot yourself hoping it was blank, you end to the round with 1 health each. But in the scenario where the live round is second, if you shoot the dealer, you miss and he'll use his knife and you lose the round. But if you shoot yourself, you skip his turn and get to shoot him with the live round.

In this case, shooting the dealer leads to either win or lose, depending how the luck rolls. But if you shoot yourself, you either win or make it to the next round, where you might get some better items to guarantee shooting the dealer.

Effectively making shooting yourself the correct choice. Especially since if you shoot yourself with the live round, you deny the dealer using his knife to ko you.

Originally posted by apathy:

Originally posted by Kuroki:

What's the best move you can do here?

This problem is further exacerbated by the new match item resetting bug the dev refuses to admit is a bug and fix.

Stop wasting all your good items at the end of the third round and it won't be a problem. After I started tracking when I was getting killed after reading multiple threads like these, only ONE ended after doubling up, and it wasn't because of the item carry over. It was because the game gave him the items he needed to win from the box. He didn't need (or use) any of the carried over items.

Originally posted by apathy:

Its literally a skill issue.

Can you stop disrespecting yourself please? That's a 2020 meme, yet you are presenting it here as a counterargument, for a luck-based game.

Except that skill issues 100% apply to this game. And they just illustrated how. The game is part RNG, part playing the odds and part applying game theory. The skill issue part is applying 0 game theory.

[apathy]

Originally posted by CyanCatMan:

Because you need to plan ahead and cant just click wildly and expect to win?

Except that's literally not what I'm doing.

lol, I'm writing every move down, accounting for every shell on paper! I can't help the game giving the dealer too many OP items. No one can. That's probably why those who got the achievement only did so until they finally got lucky.

Skill was never a factor.