So, when they say that this game is "tongue in-cheek", "trope breaking" and whatnot, what do they exactly mean?

[Lightly Used 1993 Suzuki Jimny]

I'm curious as to what this exactly means.

Looking at the screenshots, I can't say that I am impressed with the "trope breaking" elements such as "gratuitously sexualized anime girls"... Still being present.

Is it a case like this?[i3.kym-cdn.com]

Cuz if that is, I can't say that it is anything but a lame excuse to feature such content, using the guise of "it is only there ironically".

[rincewind]

50 shades of gray? Spartacus and similar edgy and sexy series?
I don't watch too much TV honestly.

The ecchi thing is... well, It have a target. If you're not part of the target, you gonna dislike it. Like everything I guess.
I honestly hate all harem anime, with maybe a few exceptions, and usually don't even bother with ecchi shows. But, I liked High School of the Dead, was kinda cool in a B-Movie sense.

By the way, I'm lot with this conversation and the relation with Neptunia.
Besides the Godess forms, wich are pretty sexy, and the naked bondage I don't see much fanservice in Neptunia.
Except for the other type, this game is full of fanservice is you're a gamer.
Like Girls und Panzer is full of fanservice if you're a geek of Second World War tanks.

[Lightly Used 1993 Suzuki Jimny]

Neither do I haha, hence why I didn't even think of those series (nor can I say whether they apply or not). Isn't, like, 50 Shades of Gray some travesty in terms of how it represents the BDSM community?

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As you said, it's about taste, you like it or you don't. "Ugh" @ Highschool of the Dead...

As for Neptunia: That is, maybe, kinda-sorta enough to make the game off-putting for me.

And, again (though I said it pages ago, I imagine you didn't see it), "fanservice" is yet another word that can have different meanings. That is why I highlighted what it means for me, since I only refer to gratuitous sexual content when I mention the term, not things like what you mentioned (pandering to history geeks).

[davidb11]

50 Shades of Gray as bad as it is, is like a watered down kid friendly version of how extreme the BDSM scene can get. Do not look up the words Queen and Snake combined on Google. :P No, really, I cannot stress how you do not want to see it. The things I have unfortunately seen will melt out your eyeballs. :)

I'm not saying all BDSM is the same, no sir, it is like all things, it has a large range of activities, some are very minor. "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but whips and chains excite me!"
There's even a lawyer out there who's specality is defending people who accidentally killed/hurt their partners in BDSM activities. He's an expert at the lifestyle. :)


But now we're getting into territory we can't talk about on the Steam forums. :P

As for Erotica/Porn, I wouldn't go and say Porn is a derogatory term. It's a multi-billion dollar industry, some of it is made by women, for women. And women probably know what women like. :P

Like many things, it has a large range of activities.
And really, there's a few porn stars that are Mensa level smart, so it's not something exactly done by people who are not geniuses. :)

[Lightly Used 1993 Suzuki Jimny]

Mature topic, indeed!

Personally, I have a hard time believing that more than 10% of porn stars are actually satisfied with their profession... They sacrifice so much, physically and mentally, when doing porn, and it's not like they are having actual sex while they do so.

That's why I dislike the pornstars on Reddit and Twitter trying to make themselves seem so "happy" and emotionally invested into the industry.

Amateurs and self-run businesses aside, of course, as well as rare examples.

I mean, even the camgirls are essentially just acting/faking and doing an emotionless job.

[davidb11]

They are having sex...it's not simulated. :P

And sacrifice so much? I don't think that works either, it's just not tiring enough to damage you fast.

It's not as body damaging as say, MMA fighting, or football, or even horseback riding, which can kill you dead.

And why can't they be happy? Please, don't fall for the trap that Porn is bad.
It's not, and if you actually do look up the information, you'd find that it's hardly a soul destroying business.

People don't just get into it because "Help, I need money."
There are plenty of people that are indeed happy, and really, Ron Jeremy is hardly the only happy guy in Porn. :) Plus, he's like 62 now.

I joked with a friend once about how male porn stars can probably do their tax returns in their head because they're so used to what they're doing, but he didn't quite believe me. :)

[Radene]

Zankman eredeti hozzászólása:

Mature topic, indeed!

Personally, I have a hard time believing that more than 10% of porn stars are actually satisfied with their profession... They sacrifice so much, physically and mentally, when doing porn, and it's not like they are having actual sex while they do so.

That's why I dislike the pornstars on Reddit and Twitter trying to make themselves seem so "happy" and emotionally invested into the industry.

Amateurs and self-run businesses aside, of course, as well as rare examples.

I mean, even the camgirls are essentially just acting/faking and doing an emotionless job.

Just like any other kind of work people do for a living!

Alright, I'm only half-serious, most other business ventures arent this...intimate, so there's that. I'm still quite sure that satisfaction with one's job might be even lower in places that have disposable employees at minimum wage (e.g. your typical McDonald's employee who is likely less respected, in general, than a porn star).

But yes, I agree with the overal notion you're putting forward, that the porn stars likely don't love their jobs any more than we non-porn stars love ours...the moment something becomes "work", it's going to drain you mentally and physically, even if you enjoy what you're doing. And more so if you don't.

[davidb11]

Oh, that's what he meant by unhappy.
My bad.

Curse you, My Brain! You have failed me!

[Lightly Used 1993 Suzuki Jimny]

Well, yes, David, but I also meant what you implied.

For my own curiosity I did research and whatnot, and although it may not damage the body severely, at the same time, it isn't nor easy nor exactly without any consequence.

And, yeah, it is "fake", simulated. Rehearsed, filmed with constant stops and restarts, the performers aren't emotionally invested in any way, they don't actually feel like they are having sex... Not to mention the ♥♥♥♥ they do is often very distant to true intimate sex/love making.

So, although the pay is good, I strongly disagree that it is a "fun" or "good" job choice. There are exceptions, but I doubt most actually enjoy it and want to do it if they have alternatives on their disposal.

[UnLuckyCat]

davidb11 eredeti hozzászólása:

Are you certain it's not Hentai? :P
I mean, I'm not expecting it to be Uridijuiko or whatever it's called, Legend of the Overfiend.

Just like that one show with the underaged succubus who needs to drink hunk spunk to live, and that's not even hentai.

Re: Porn professionals, well that aspect does come up. Once it hits big business, it's no longer an amateur video shot in a single take. So it's all really stop and go, new angles, retakes, etc. and the actors could be at it for hours at a time. It's draining, for sure, and it loses "the magic" but they can still take pleasure in their work. *ahem*

Changing the dial a bit, I just want to mention a show I picked up recently. Akatsuki no Yona. At first it appeared a bit girly (well, it is shoujo) but that's largely due to the lack of ecchi/fanservice/sexual content/female characters in general, and actually ends up a lot more neutral in that regard than I thought. Still a bit tropey, a little simplistic, some light romance, but it reminds me of an old Chinese kung-fu drama and I've been enjoying it so far.

[davidb11]

Not the porn I've seen, they don't exactly have grandmasters of editing. :P
Stopping and starting would be kind of difficult, I'm just saying.
Priapasm hurts, Bro. :)

Some of them, probably do, but still.
I'm saying, it's a lot different than simulated sex. :P It can't be simulated, if you actually see the sex stuff. :P Kind of breaks the defintion of simulated. :) I.e not real.
And maybe I'm using too much Semantics.

I'm just a bit confused how porn has the best editors of all time, because there's no way the stuff I seen takes place over hours.

I mean, I've seen major motion pictures, and they have great editing, and you can still tell they've edited the scenes. :)
Look at the Matrix, that's a movie you know that featured a ton of editing.

Maybe i'm lucky and see all the good stuff, that doesn't require massive editing.

I'm not talking about a movie with plot, here, I'm talking scenes, which show no editing breaks, no hiccups, heck, I've seen flies in those movies, you'd think they'd try to edit out a fly buzzing by the actors. :P

IT just wouldn't make sense for the porn industry to have the best editors in all the world.
I mean, how can they make a seemless shot that goes on for 15 minutes, if it really takes hours?

It shouldn't take exponentially longer to film a porn scene than it takes to kill someone with a flail!
Fred: "How about a flail whipping? How long does that take to kill someone?"
Angel: "Hours! If you do it properly. Which you shouldn't do at all."

Angel was one of my favorite TV shows, and the quote is apt.

I must be missing something, or not all porn is done the same way.
There just to me, seems to be no way the porn industry can do non-breaking scenes over hours, and seemlessly mix them together.
THat would takes days of work non-stop.
No one pays editors that much money. :)

They'd have to be paid more than 10 times what the women get, at the least, to be motivated to edit all the scenes together.

Again, I might be missing something, but with flies in scenes, and other annoyances, it just raises too many questions.

Regardless, I think we're starting to get a bit too much into things we shouldn't.
So, let's stop talking about that. Seriously, I'm sorry for dredging it up. Feel free to message me to talk more.

Again, sorry for going overboard, that is my middle name. :P
I just get protective over being challenged on something that makes no sense to me to be challenged.

[Lightly Used 1993 Suzuki Jimny]

Well, uh, you're really trying to wrap your head around it. :D

It's true, I'm sure of it. Depends on the production and genre, of course, but it is very common.

As is, apparently, the usage of chemicals and whatnot.

But yeah, let's not get far too into it. Too hard of a subject, too many variables, too much to know about...

@UnLuckyCat

Read the synopsis on MyAnimeList.com and it sounds intriguing. The setup seems fun, so, it's a shame if it is indeed "trope-y".

As long as it doesn't have "ecchi" in the genre list, I guess it works for me haha.

[rincewind]

Zankman eredeti hozzászólása:

Well, yes, David, but I also meant what you implied.

For my own curiosity I did research and whatnot, and although it may not damage the body severely, at the same time, it isn't nor easy nor exactly without any consequence.

And, yeah, it is "fake", simulated. Rehearsed, filmed with constant stops and restarts, the performers aren't emotionally invested in any way, they don't actually feel like they are having sex... Not to mention the ♥♥♥♥ they do is often very distant to true intimate sex/love making.

So, although the pay is good, I strongly disagree that it is a "fun" or "good" job choice. There are exceptions, but I doubt most actually enjoy it and want to do it if they have alternatives on their disposal.

Honestly speaking a lot of jobs can actually ending damaging the body of the people and having consecuenses in the long run. Where I work there's a lot of people who works lifting heavy things and working in freezing temperatures. And for what I was told lots of people later in their life suffer from chronic diseases and pain.

And about the fake part... of course that it's fake. It's kinda the point. It's not for pleasure, it's for money.

But back to Neptunia, so far (chapter 4) is pretty tame in the fanservice. It's more cute and fun things.

[davidb11]

"Too hard of a subject." Please tell me that was by accident. :P

But yeah, I'm sorry for jumping up and down and freaking out.
I don't mean to.

I'm just very defensive, and I turn into walls of text.

And yeah, porn is fake, I'm not arguing that, I'm just saying, it's not simulated. :P
Though, I guess that depends on what you mean by fake.

[Lightly Used 1993 Suzuki Jimny]

Well then you're really confusing me with the semantics; how can "fake" be applicable yet "simulated" not? It's a "over the top" simulation of sex as opposed to the actual act. IMO "simulated' feels like the perfect word.

@rincewind

Milk-bottling factory, working in freezers and such?

Also: dat emoticon, haha.

[davidb11]

Simulated means no actual coupling of parts. :P
According to the definition I've found, if it shows the actual body parts going together, :P, it's not simulated sex. It's why some movies have an R rating. They don't show the body parts. :P


Fake just implies that it's like all other movies. The only difference between a porn movie and a legit movie like you see in the theaters, is the sex is real. :)

Now obviously amatuer and home video "Adult entertainment." is real. :)

But yeah, if parts come together, and you can see the parts, it's no longer simulated by the defintion set by the MPAA, and other associations. :) It's actual legit sex.

I know it seems like I was arguing semantics, but I'm not, I was just trying to point out the very distinct differences between simulated sex, and real sex. :)
Don't blame me, blame the MPAA and Webster's. :)

I know it seems more like, "OMG, David, shut up, Gosh." But I just wanted to clarify the differences.
And how fake and simulated are not the same at all. Again, I'm sorry if I come across annoying, I don't mean to be, I just like to add information.

You can google the term if you wish, you'll find what I found.

Also, if you buy this game and all the DLC, I won't bother you again. Bwahahahaha!