Remove real time water system?

[AirDrifter]

Have the devs actually addressed this yet? This and the performance are the two main things holding me back from purchasing the game, the game looks awesome but those two are a major turn of at the moment.

[DOOM THE PRIME EVIL]

no by the looks of it there not going remove the trash water system

[AirDrifter]

Originally posted by DOOM THE PRIME EVIL:

no by the looks of it there not going remove the trash water system

That sucks, to be more specific I'm asking to remove the real time aspect.

It's a real shame, I was interested in this game but as soon as I heard about that, it was an instant turn off. You'd think if the majority shared the same opinion then the devs would actually reconsider removing it in the future.

[shadow_otm]

Yeah apparently all the real time water degradation is doing is gatekeeping out people that aren't able to drop lots of hours into the game at the start. Apparently if you get deep enough in the game, especially with the water bots now, the water system becomes trivial and you apparently only need to log in every so often just to make sure the main water refills. It's just bad design that they keep doubling down on. If it's trivial and of no consequence later there is no point in using it to gate the early game.

[Tralalakk]

first of all none of you own the game, second if you did you would find out you can get month worth of water in the new map in hour

[Nu_Naym]

Originally posted by Tralalakk:

first of all none of you own the game, second if you did you would find out you can get month worth of water in the new map in hour

So whats the point of it then if its so easy to avoid?

May as well remove it if there's no threat of it actually doing anything

[Tralalakk]

Originally posted by Nu_Naym:

Originally posted by Tralalakk:

first of all none of you own the game, second if you did you would find out you can get month worth of water in the new map in hour

So whats the point of it then if its so easy to avoid?

May as well remove it if there's no threat of it actually doing anything

To be honest i have no idea, its probably a place holder for now ? all im saying writing the game of because of that is just stupid in my opinion

[Nu_Naym]

Originally posted by Tralalakk:

Originally posted by Nu_Naym:

So whats the point of it then if its so easy to avoid?

May as well remove it if there's no threat of it actually doing anything

To be honest i have no idea, its probably a place holder for now ? all im saying writing the game of because of that is just stupid in my opinion

Writing the game off for having a mechanic that does nothing but remove progress if you don't babysit the game isn't something to wright off the entire game? To each their own I suppose

If they keep the offline decay the only way for it to go is down. It either stays irrelevant like it is, or becomes an actual threat to removing your progress if they add to it.

And yes, loosing items is loosing progress. If you're then gonna state that "you dont loose anything important" or something like that then that just further exasperates the point of why have it?

It's either irrelevant to the game and only serves to annoy or its a chore that demands your time. In both cases why does it exist?

[Tralalakk]

again you can get a lot of water in no time, if you cannot play for lets say a hour a day, or in this game case if you cannot do a 5 minute run each day, you should probably give up gaming. you get water for almost every quest and it spawns on every map, like i said its stupid to write off a game because you are not willing to play it for 5-10 minutes each day

[Nu_Naym]

Originally posted by Tralalakk:

again you can get a lot of water in no time, if you cannot play for lets say a hour a day, or in this game case if you cannot do a 5 minute run each day, you should probably give up gaming. you get water for almost every quest and it spawns on every map, like i said its stupid to write off a game because you are not willing to play it for 5-10 minutes each day

Again. If its so easy to avoid. Why is it there?

Why should I have to play ANY offline single player game for 5-10 mins a day?

[Tralalakk]

i told you its probably a place holder, you do know what early acces means right ? seriously if you wanna good reason why to hate this game there are so many betther reasons then being lazy enought to consider water system an issue, since you keep bringing it up bunch of games have this system, and nobody gives a damm about it in those

[Nu_Naym]

Originally posted by Tralalakk:

i told you its probably a place holder, you do know what early acces means right ? seriously if you wanna good reason why to hate this game there are so many betther reasons then being lazy enought to consider water system an issue, since you keep bringing it up bunch of games have this system, and nobody gives a damm about it in those

Yeah, I know what early access means. Played a bunch of them. None of them had a mechanic that removed progress if I didnt baby sit them and a lot of them had things like road maps.

As for being "lazy"? Come on dude. You're not that dumb. People play games because they WANT to. Not because they HAVE to. Not wanting to engage with a game that holds my progress to ransom if I dont baby sit it has nothing to do with being "lazy"

And every other game that wants to be baby sat is a multiplayer only game in which a wipe mechanic serves a purpose of keeping the playing field level for new players. And a lot of them can be turned off if you want to play a private server/solo such as V rising and Rust.

Again what purpose does this one serve?

[Tralalakk]

Originally posted by Nu_Naym:

Originally posted by Tralalakk:

i told you its probably a place holder, you do know what early acces means right ? seriously if you wanna good reason why to hate this game there are so many betther reasons then being lazy enought to consider water system an issue, since you keep bringing it up bunch of games have this system, and nobody gives a damm about it in those

Yeah, I know what early access means. Played a bunch of them. None of them had a mechanic that removed progress if I didnt baby sit them and a lot of them had things like road maps.

As for being "lazy"? Come on dude. You're not that dumb. People play games because they WANT to. Not because they HAVE to. Not wanting to engage with a game that holds my progress to ransom if I dont baby sit it has nothing to do with being "lazy"

And every other game that wants to be baby sat is a multiplayer only game in which a wipe mechanic serves a purpose of keeping the playing field level for new players. And a lot of them can be turned off if you want to play a private server/solo such as V rising and Rust.

Again what purpose does this one serve?

so when you say babysit what do you mean by that ? i told you you can spend a hour in the game and then you dont have to worry about the water for a month here is a video how to do it from the start https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1CVdu60uro.
thats why i called it being lazy, its probably easier to say the game is crap instead of learning how to play, all i said its stupid to call a game s h i t because of something that can be ignored pretty much, and saying they should remove it if its so easy to get over is also kinda retarded, ammo is also easy to get should they remove that as well ? since its so easy to avoid? or health that resets progress if that reaches zero should they make you imortal to make people like you happy ?

[Nu_Naym]

Originally posted by Tralalakk:

Originally posted by Nu_Naym:

Yeah, I know what early access means. Played a bunch of them. None of them had a mechanic that removed progress if I didnt baby sit them and a lot of them had things like road maps.

As for being "lazy"? Come on dude. You're not that dumb. People play games because they WANT to. Not because they HAVE to. Not wanting to engage with a game that holds my progress to ransom if I dont baby sit it has nothing to do with being "lazy"

And every other game that wants to be baby sat is a multiplayer only game in which a wipe mechanic serves a purpose of keeping the playing field level for new players. And a lot of them can be turned off if you want to play a private server/solo such as V rising and Rust.

Again what purpose does this one serve?

so when you say babysit what do you mean by that ? i told you you can spend a hour in the game and then you dont have to worry about the water for a month here is a video how to do it from the start https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1CVdu60uro.
thats why i called it being lazy, its probably easier to say the game is crap instead of learning how to play, all i said its stupid to call a game s h i t because of something that can be ignored pretty much, and saying they should remove it if its so easy to get over is also kinda retarded, ammo is also easy to get should they remove that as well ? since its so easy to avoid? or health that resets progress if that reaches zero should they make you imortal to make people like you happy ?

I mean its a mechanic that's simple, adds nothing, and is a chore that forces people to engage with it even if they dont want to.

The fact the only defence of it is "Its easy to ignore" isn't a good look for a supposed "hardcore" game.
As for asking it to be removed. What does it add to the experience? How would the game be worse if it was removed?

Getting rid of ammo and health are in no way the same but I'll humour you.
Removing ammo removes an element of resource management when it comes to looting and how much you're willing to spend to take down enemies/how much space you're willing to give to ammo vs how much loot you want. Removing ammo changes the fundamental game play loop. Removing water does not as it is so easy to avoid that it does nothing until you do not play the game.

Removing health and loosing loot on death removes stakes and tension. This changes the atmosphere of the game and again, fundamentally changes the game play loop and world feel. Removing water does not change this. Water is, as you have said, easy to get and nothing to worry about. So removing it changes nothing.

Also, just a quick edit. The issue with water is the OFFLINE timer. It serves no game play purpose. Change it to be offline only and make it actually difficult and I'd be all over this game

[Tralalakk]

i mean yeah the water is kinda pointless, it does give you xp if you extract with it and it does unlock more traders and upgrades for your base, so yeah lets just remove it, see thats the issue you dont even have the game, you dont know how it actualy works yet you spend your time on forums crying about it. i gues if you dont like the game desing then dont buy it its simple as that but why the hell do you need to go on the forum that are made for people who actualy own the damm game and moan about something you clearly dont understand, the damm water is more then just timer, i think the max amount of water you can have is 99 which is 99 days on that scary timer you guys want to remove. you still gonna push that it is a issue ? i mean if you cant get on atleast once per 90 days you have bigger issues then games mate

[shadow_otm]

"It's so easy to make water trivial and not worry about the offline timer"
"If you can't get on at least once per 90 days you have bigger issues then games mate"

THIS IS EXACTLY WHY WE COMPLAIN ABOUT THE OFFLINE DEGRADATION!

I really don't know how this cannot fit in the space between the ears of people that support the system: YES THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS IN LIFE THAT VIDEO GAMES, WHICH IS WHY GAMES THAT PUNISH YOU BECAUSE YOU WERE GONE FOR XX DAYS ARE BAD!
Also add to the idea that it's actually a "trivial" system once you play enough then why is the system necessary? This system is just an arbitrary gatekeeping mechanic to punish people for having a life that takes precedent over a video game! If it's so easy to bypass the issue of the offline mechanic then DO AWAY WITH IT!

Honestly though with all the other bugs and issues I hear from the people that do play this game at length I think I'm better off not giving my money to this one at this point. Maybe when the stealth mechanics work and the enemies don't spawn ontop of you and I won't be punished if the game falls to my back burner for months I'd give it a serious look again.