hope to see some SMG love

[Lucius Caesar]

I'm trying to use guns that match my character's skills, so as a Shaman main (for now) I use SMGs a lot, but there's practically no customization for the majority of them. I got the Vityaz levelled up enough to get a suppressor on it, and its got a lot of nice attachment points.. but it seems to be the only one. It looks like none of the other SMGs have replacement parts in the shops, so you can barely customize them. P90 looks awesome, but no barrel replacement means no suppressor, so its kind of useless. I've got a supressor on the Spectre M4, but no optics slot sucks :( I feel like the Vityaz is the only viable SMG.

[kknd]

Glad the Vector has a built in suppressor, I need to rank up the Vityaz now that I know for sure there is a supressor ready for it. There are clearly guns that are mostly fleshed out. (Hi there AK and M4!) and then there's guns that beg for it (most SMG's and pistols I've tried so far.) but then there's a few where I get it. 20mm Anti-tank rifle or Painless is not going to have a lot of parts options and I'm okay with that. (as long as the sights line up properly anyway.)

[Lucius Caesar]

Originally posted by kknd:

Glad the Vector has a built in suppressor, I need to rank up the Vityaz now that I know for sure there is a supressor ready for it. There are clearly guns that are mostly fleshed out. (Hi there AK and M4!) and then there's guns that beg for it (most SMG's and pistols I've tried so far.) but then there's a few where I get it. 20mm Anti-tank rifle or Painless is not going to have a lot of parts options and I'm okay with that. (as long as the sights line up properly anyway.):raven:

yeah, I think you need to be level 6 on the Vityaz to get the new barrel that allows a suppressor, so its a bit painful to begin with, but once you level it up and replace all the parts its the most cusomizable SMG. I've got a laser and flashlight on the sides, a good optic, a grip and a suppressor on it.

I'll take a look at the Vector then, built in suppressor is a good start :)

[Akameka]

didn't test it yet myself but the vector is suposed to shred. 200 damage per bullet, and that beast is suposed to reach 1200 RPM (irl at least)... definitelly something to test out

I think the main problem of the gun will be ammo. 45 ACP is hardly available through merchants and this gun will chew trough your supplies in no time.

I would really like if the game included an UMP-45. Definitelly one of my favorite SMG in all games

[Squint]

Originally posted by Akameka:

didn't test it yet myself but the vector is suposed to shred. 200 damage per bullet, and that beast is suposed to reach 1200 RPM (irl at least)... definitelly something to test out

I think the main problem of the gun will be ammo. 45 ACP is hardly available through merchants and this gun will chew trough your supplies in no time.

I would really like if the game included an UMP-45. Definitelly one of my favorite SMG in all games

Have you looked at the spectre? not quite a UMP but has the good .45 damage with a slower ROF than the vector.

[slxpress]

Originally posted by kknd:

Glad the Vector has a built in suppressor, I need to rank up the Vityaz now that I know for sure there is a supressor ready for it. There are clearly guns that are mostly fleshed out. (Hi there AK and M4!) and then there's guns that beg for it (most SMG's and pistols I've tried so far.) but then there's a few where I get it. 20mm Anti-tank rifle or Painless is not going to have a lot of parts options and I'm okay with that. (as long as the sights line up properly anyway.):raven:

It did make me give a quick chuckle to think of the anti tank gun being equipped with a suppressor.

[Great Ape]

I heart SMGs, so I'll automatically agree with you.

[###]

Ye, smg atm surely needs some love as they are outshined in their niche by the Auto-shotgun(that niche being CQC). Even when considering the difference in noises i would prefer my aa12 to my suppresed spectre anyday, not only for damage but also for staggering values which are way too low on smg. They are also terrible in putting down armoured targets, although this class of weapons shouldn't be used for that so it is understandable. But the problem persist in their general role. What is the aim of these weapons: a last resort when engaged in close distance? a soft rifle for stealth killing? a low threat automatic weapon? It doenst help the fact that they have little to no customizations options (ehm p90 and vector) and terrible medium-long range precision.

BTW: vector doesn't have any built in suppressor, i can confirm this on multiple testing. Instead it aggroes more than an rpk when fired.

[Ghost]

Originally posted by Lucius Caesar:

I'm trying to use guns that match my character's skills, so as a Shaman main (for now) I use SMGs a lot, but there's practically no customization for the majority of them. I got the Vityaz levelled up enough to get a suppressor on it, and its got a lot of nice attachment points.. but it seems to be the only one. It looks like none of the other SMGs have replacement parts in the shops, so you can barely customize them. P90 looks awesome, but no barrel replacement means no suppressor, so its kind of useless. I've got a supressor on the Spectre M4, but no optics slot sucks :( I feel like the Vityaz is the only viable SMG.

vector exists you know xD however the ppsh is godly rn and the vector should have 1400rpm but doesn't since it's the 45acp one, no 9mm vector.

[SusBedStain]

also .45 acp comes in stacks of 15.. taking space. Price we have to pay for decent dmg smgs. Also, playing with a spectre when using shaman.. the ads is horrible, characters hand clips through the gun hiding the iron sight.

[SusBedStain]

for now, until they rebalance things, i dont see any reason to not use the AA12 32 mag extension.

[NaRf]

Originally posted by kknd:

Glad the Vector has a built in suppressor, I need to rank up the Vityaz now that I know for sure there is a supressor ready for it. There are clearly guns that are mostly fleshed out. (Hi there AK and M4!) and then there's guns that beg for it (most SMG's and pistols I've tried so far.) but then there's a few where I get it. 20mm Anti-tank rifle or Painless is not going to have a lot of parts options and I'm okay with that. (as long as the sights line up properly anyway.):raven:

The Vector doesnt have a built in suppressor, it looks like it should. But that thing pisses off mobs like it doesnt.

[Lucius Caesar]

Originally posted by Spaced:

Originally posted by kknd:

Glad the Vector has a built in suppressor, I need to rank up the Vityaz now that I know for sure there is a supressor ready for it. There are clearly guns that are mostly fleshed out. (Hi there AK and M4!) and then there's guns that beg for it (most SMG's and pistols I've tried so far.) but then there's a few where I get it. 20mm Anti-tank rifle or Painless is not going to have a lot of parts options and I'm okay with that. (as long as the sights line up properly anyway.):raven:

The Vector doesnt have a built in suppressor, it looks like it should. But that thing pisses off mobs like it doesnt.

Guess who found that out the hard way....

[kknd]

Originally posted by ###:

BTW: vector doesn't have any built in suppressor, i can confirm this on multiple testing. Instead it aggroes more than an rpk when fired.

Huh. I know one of them does, so not sure which, guess I'll check when I have a minute.

[Lucius Caesar]

Originally posted by kknd:

Originally posted by ###:

BTW: vector doesn't have any built in suppressor, i can confirm this on multiple testing. Instead it aggroes more than an rpk when fired.

Huh. I know one of them does, so not sure which, guess I'll check when I have a minute.:raven:

NGL I may have cursed your name when I aggroed half the map :P but I take it back, it was heat of the moment.

[=яενєηąŋŧ=]

Shotguns too, or even moreso. Only four of them not counting the Surplus, and one of those is unobtainable. USAS and AA-12 are amazing with the drum mag upgrades but the default sights are atrocious and have no alternative options.