You lose a bunch of progress if you take a break from the game? What????

[hyperlyne]

I just got this game because I've seen some pretty interesting and fun looking stuff but after looking at some discussions, I just found mentions of water, which drains every 24 hours even while not playing and removes all your loot if it reaches 0. Is this real? Cause if so, what the actual ♥♥♥♥??

That's worse than ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ GACHA games in terms of losing progress. That would legitimately be the second worst game mechanic I've ever seen in a video, only beaten out by FOMO.

Edit: For everyone saying it's "not that bad" and "easy to circumvent", answer this: how is this a good, fun, and beneficial mechanic? How does this enhance the player's experience? What is this mechanic supposed to do other then possibly cause annoyance and frustration?

[Voodoo]

引用自 Snowball：

引用自 Voodoo：

So far only games that do that, do so during patches.

Also yeah thats how most people play, they will binge it for couple weeks then drop it for months till next patch comes, then they will be told theyve been bad boy and didnt attend the water farm and thus they lose all weapons with mods they liked, the bazillion rounds in their stash and have to farm it all over again and will rightfully so quit because you killed their investment.

MInd you it doesnt exist solely to have you hooked onto game so you wont lose your stash, water also exists to prevent you from picking more valuable loot.

55 barrels of water, if you instead picked up explosives you would be sitting at 550k, if you picked up large lockboxes thats 825k

You obviously haven't played the game enough, right now you can completely ignore water since quests will give you water and just fill your bags with lock boxes or explosives for credits.

I think the water system is superior than periodic wipes because if you are atleast semi active (play once in every 2 or so weeks), you keep your gear unlike in Tarkov, Rust or Dark and Darker where you just lose everything, not just loot but EVERYTHING regardless how much or little effort you put into the game.

I'd be far more willing to come back to TFW knowing that my character levels stay the same instead of grinding missions and loot for weeks in Tarkov just for it to all get wiped soon after just because I happened to get into the game near wipe time.

Yeah no, going out to mech trenches is far faster than doing quests when it comes to water, hell quests you can mostly ignore once you cap out on reputation and most of them are pain in the ass, especially if you dont have silenced weapon while trench runs you can do naked with no problem.

You also falsely assume there must be wipes, why would there be.

People are not just gonna play once in 2 weeks if they can help it. If you can play more and log in once every 2 weeks you no longer care to play the game, keeping those people in wont make for a better experience.

I also have maxed out water at 54 days and atm 86 barrels of water in stash, what will happen in 55 days? 86 barrels will get deleted.

[Wolf68]

引用自 hyperlyne：

引用自 Wolf68：

Its called a wipe mechanic.

No it isn't, those just make you lose stuff currently on your character when you die, which you can apparently get back in this game.

Those are BS but tolerable. This is on a whole other level, wiping ALL equipment on ALL your characters if you just don't play for a while.

How the hell can anyone justify this system?

You literally only lose your equipment and vendors. THE ONLY IMPORTANT THING, is character xp/progress, and you keep that. Is that clear now?

[Mr Rabbit]

引用自 Wolf68：

引用自 hyperlyne：

No it isn't, those just make you lose stuff currently on your character when you die, which you can apparently get back in this game.

Those are BS but tolerable. This is on a whole other level, wiping ALL equipment on ALL your characters if you just don't play for a while.

How the hell can anyone justify this system?

You literally only lose your equipment and vendors. THE ONLY IMPORTANT THING, is character xp/progress, and you keep that. Is that clear now?

yes exactly... teh same as if you die out in the world.. you loose youre stuff picked up and taken in... why are these cry babies not crying aying stop letting us loose loot when we die

you cant make it up... drama queens

[Deathswarrior]

People are not just gonna play once in 2 weeks if they can help it. If you can play more and log in once every 2 weeks you no longer care to play the game, keeping those people in wont make for a better experience.

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This. I see all over the place people say "What if I don't play for 2 months?" Are you actually playing the game if you only played it for 15 mins, wrote a review, refunded it, and then came to the forums to bandwagon some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ excuse of why the game hurt you?

[WhiskeyJim68]

引用自 hyperlyne：

Heres a question to y'all trying to defend this: why is this mechanic here? How does it enhance gameplay? How does it make for a better experience? It doesn't matter how "easy" it is to deal with, if the only thing it does is to possibly make the game worse, why the ♥♥♥♥ is it here? If you can answer that, than maybe I'll consider your other points.

Here is a question, why are you attacking it without understanding how it actually works? You do not lose all of your progression, its not that hard to understand. I wish clowns like you would stop cluttering up the forums.

[TangoLimaRomeo]

1) They've addressed people's complaints about it and it's being worked on. We'll see where it winds up after that.
2) You can literally have several months of water supply with minimal effort, just back yourself up if you plan on spending a while away. You won't lose everything, either, just stuff you can get back in a couple rounds of playing.

[Wolf68]

引用自 Basho：

引用自 Ember：

im amused people don't like this wipe mechanic when there are loved games out there that force players to start from scratch every month, Rust is one and i saw someone mention Tarkov

i dont like those games, especially because of the offline decay that turn the game into a chore.
(i also dont like them because of the PVP focus.)

but at least it makes sense in those games to clear up the map and to level the playing field in the PVP context, so new players get a fair chance every so often and so the map doesnt get increasingly crowded until nothing new can be built.
it makes no sense in a PVE singleplayer context without global overworld base building.

Personally, it does make sense to wipe even in a pve game. What happens when you "got everything"? The point of the game, the entire gameplay loop, is to scrounge around for water, supplies, gear, and junk to sell, to build up your arsenal and innards. What happens when you have the best gear, the best rig, 2-3 months of water saved up, and no new missions to do? Say water doesnt decay irl. Say you take a break and play again in a few months. Youre gonna come back to a fully equipped save and not much more to do.

Personally this is boring. Its like coming back to a fully completed "god" save in Skyrim. No more quests, no more unique enemies to kill, just wandering around a barren "theme park".

[Snowball]

引用自 Voodoo：

Yeah no, going out to mech trenches is far faster than doing quests when it comes to water, hell quests you can mostly ignore once you cap out on reputation and most of them are pain in the ass, especially if you dont have silenced weapon while trench runs you can do naked with no problem.

You also falsely assume there must be wipes, why would there be.

People are not just gonna play once in 2 weeks if they can help it. If you can play more and log in once every 2 weeks you no longer care to play the game, keeping those people in wont make for a better experience.

I also have maxed out water at 54 days and atm 86 barrels of water in stash, what will happen in 55 days? 86 barrels will get deleted.

Yes, doing water runs is faster way to get water than just doing quests that was not my point. My point is that if you don't want to do water runs, you don't have to. Just doing quests, which is the most enjoyable part of the game for me atleast, will net you more than enough water when played somewhat regularly.

Now yes, you are probably correct in saying that this game doesen't acually need a wipe mechanic it being a PvE game whitout a player driven market.

In the end the devs will most likely remove/replace/rework the current water mechanic, it is early access after all.

[Voodoo]

引用自 Snowball：

Yes, doing water runs is faster way to get water than just doing quests that was not my point. My point is that if you don't want to do water runs, you don't have to. Just doing quests, which is the most enjoyable part of the game for me atleast, will net you more than enough water when played somewhat regularly.

As someone who maxed out water and got first million before getting 3 europan drone parts i wholehartedly disagree quests are faster. Kill 20 armed forces is probably fastest there is and its still a slog that will take you 2 runs in the same time i can carry out 16 barrels of water.

Now let assume they add pvp and auction house, do you still need wipes? what for? is eve online frequently wiped? battlefields? cod kinda is but thats to sell same game again in next 2 years.
Someone will have more modded weapon if they add pvp if they dont wipe, well if someone keeps water they will always have better gear and more hours and not that water wipes out weapon xp so these people would again get it faster.

Also nearly every game that does regular wipes also sells you solution to progress faster, tarkov gives 0.2 reputation(requivalent to 7-10 quests) for every trader along with better starting skills and extra equipment.
GZW does the same with extra equipment packs and bigger stash.
Dont start me on arena breakout.
Marauders is i think only exception.

[Zorn]

引用自 hyperlyne：

引用自 Ember：

im amused people don't like this wipe mechanic when there are loved games out there that force players to start from scratch every month, Rust is one and i saw someone mention Tarkov

1. But Rust isn't about progression, it's just about ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ around by building bases and raiding people and whatever. And I don't even have Rust nor want to, so that doesn't apply here.
2. I think Tarkov looks bad so that also doesn't apply here.

The idiotic thing about mentioning Tarkov is that even the greedy and braindead the Tarkov devs removed the Wipe mechanic from tarkovs PVE mode ;) :D
because people got annoyed with it

[yai200439]

Let's face it, the mechanic is there solely for retention purposes, period. This is not Rust or other mmorpg, or morpg. This not escape from tarkov where the main content was PvP. Both types needs main servers to mark the PC's progress for any cheats and hacks, hence constant server wipes.
This game is SINGLEPLAYER BASED co-op survival game. There are no PvP, only Pve, hence no need for any server wipe ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Frostea]

引用自 Zorn：

引用自 hyperlyne：

1. But Rust isn't about progression, it's just about ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ around by building bases and raiding people and whatever. And I don't even have Rust nor want to, so that doesn't apply here.
2. I think Tarkov looks bad so that also doesn't apply here.

The idiotic thing about mentioning Tarkov is that even the greedy and braindead the Tarkov devs removed the Wipe mechanic from tarkovs PVE mode ;) :D
because people got annoyed with it

Tarkov isn't supposed to have wipes when it fully releases anyway. The wipes were only put in as a way to force people to keep playtesting mechanics as they get changed.

So anyone saying it's a vital mechanic doesn't even realize that the game that started it, isn't even going to be doing it permanently.

[Shiro]

引用自 yai200439：

Let's face it, the mechanic is there solely for retention purposes, period. This is not Rust or other mmorpg, or morpg. This not escape from tarkov where the main content was PvP. Both types needs main servers to mark the PC's progress for any cheats and hacks, hence constant server wipes.
This game is SINGLEPLAYER BASED co-op survival game. There are no PvP, only Pve, hence no need for any server wipe ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Tarkov also have a PvE mode where wipes are turned off completely.

[yai200439]

Whether it is easy to gain/maintain water is not the point here. The point is fact that devs are having our items, which you can roughly say game progression, as hostage and threatening the players to constantly login

[Robzilla]

引用自 Cholesteroll_TTV：

引用自 yai200439：

Let's face it, the mechanic is there solely for retention purposes, period. This is not Rust or other mmorpg, or morpg. This not escape from tarkov where the main content was PvP. Both types needs main servers to mark the PC's progress for any cheats and hacks, hence constant server wipes.
This game is SINGLEPLAYER BASED co-op survival game. There are no PvP, only Pve, hence no need for any server wipe ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Tarkov also have a PvE mode where wipes are turned off completely.

Since when?