Europan are good guys

[mie001]

Just admit it, dev, it isn't so hard. I know you want to create a theme that a forever war is happening and civilians are suffering but picturing one of the sides as good guys aren't helping
Eurasia converge it's civilian into zombie cyborg, Euruska have toothy mech. What did Europan do?" Using out-dated tech to fight a defensive war", come on man, they gotta have something more sinister than corpse tank, otherwise just print a "we are good guys" on their helmet

[Heretic]

Originally posted by mie001:

Just admit it, dev, it isn't so hard. I know you want to create a theme that a forever war is happening and civilians are suffering but picturing one of the sides as good guys aren't helping
Eurasia converge it's civilian into zombie cyborg, Euruska have toothy mech. What did Europan do?" Using out-dated tech to fight a defensive war", come on man, they gotta have something more sinister than corpse tank, otherwise just print a "we are good guys" on their helmet

well they grind their dead and dying into a nutrient rich meat slurry to feed people with...

[Lost Latios]

Toothy isn't under Euruska's control lore wise and was originally a support mech to aid soldiers, not...well you know. It went rouge. That doesn't automatically make Euruska 'bad'.

Also what do you mean the corpse tank isn't sinister? That's a clear horrific twist on the allied attempts in WW2 to 'up armor' M4s. Someone had to take those bodies, strip them (for whatever reason, probably that desperate for clothes), and bolt them to the tank. Just because the body horror element doesn't 'hit' doesn't make it any less detached from our current morals.

[Lord-Captain Mikorius]

If I was forced to choose, I would definitely choose Europa. But that being said, I wouldnt be in such a rush to defend Europa. The institutionalized cannibalism has already been mentioned, but i also think i remember there's a contract from our Scav quest giver who mentions a Europan crushed the skull of his child.

I'd say Europa is probably just too poor to implement alot of the more nightmarish stuff relating to cyberization, in the game, they probably would if they could afford it.

It's possible the Europan guy only did that because he was insane, or full of a cocktail of drugs, or drunk, we know that alcoholism is rampant

[SpacePirateKatz666]

Originally posted by mie001:

Just admit it, dev, it isn't so hard. I know you want to create a theme that a forever war is happening and civilians are suffering but picturing one of the sides as good guys aren't helping
Eurasia converge it's civilian into zombie cyborg, Euruska have toothy mech. What did Europan do?" Using out-dated tech to fight a defensive war", come on man, they gotta have something more sinister than corpse tank, otherwise just print a "we are good guys" on their helmet

I disagree that the europan are the good guys, all of the faction as it is prolonged bitter fighting, war turn humans into a creature that are more terrifying and more scary then a mere beast.

Every faction attempt to shock other faction with psy ops as in doing something horrible and terrible to shook the enemy troops morale, as if they're competing with one another one deed goes with another as they're factions trying to gain victory all are in a race in this department of being the bad guys.

Eropan infantries, some of them are equipped with Scar a .50 cal heavy riffle as standard. and when that thing hit someone that is unaugmented it will be just splat.

Now if you look at other factions, did you see any issuing heavy infantry riffle to their infantry troops ?

Eruskan only have 1 grenade launcher and their leader carry it usually. For the rest, LMG, RIffles, SMG.

Eurasian, SMG, Melee.. and nothing else.

[Lord-Captain Mikorius]

Originally posted by SpacePirateKatz666:

Originally posted by mie001:

Just admit it, dev, it isn't so hard. I know you want to create a theme that a forever war is happening and civilians are suffering but picturing one of the sides as good guys aren't helping
Eurasia converge it's civilian into zombie cyborg, Euruska have toothy mech. What did Europan do?" Using out-dated tech to fight a defensive war", come on man, they gotta have something more sinister than corpse tank, otherwise just print a "we are good guys" on their helmet

I disagree that the europan are the good guys, all of the faction as it is prolonged bitter fighting, war turn humans into a creature that are more terrifying and more scary then a mere beast.

Every faction attempt to shock other faction with psy ops as in doing something horrible and terrible to shook the enemy troops morale, as if they're competing with one another one deed goes with another as they're factions trying to gain victory all are in a race in this department of being the bad guys.

Eropan infantries, some of them are equipped with Scar a .50 cal heavy riffle as standard. and when that thing hit someone that is unaugmented it will be just splat.

Now if you look at other factions, did you see any issuing heavy infantry riffle to their infantry troops ?

Eruskan only have 1 grenade launcher and their leader carry it usually. For the rest, LMG, RIffles, SMG.

Eurasian, SMG, Melee.. and nothing else.

You bring up some good points, I think shock factor, Psyops, and demoralization campaigns are definitely something to take into account.

I would like to add though, that Eurasia and Euruska seem to invest alot in Cybernetic upgrades and armor. Eurasian Brawlers in particular wear some pretty serious armor, that could account for the difference in resource investment per Trooper.

Also, Europa and Euruska in particular seem to be using mostly really old Surplus gear, emptying stockpiles and stuff, nobody really seems to invest that much in small arms, most of the resources seem to be funneled toward mechs/exoskeleton and AI/VI's.

[Filthy Cur]

Considering the state of the world, I fail to see how any side could qualify as the "good guys".

[Crystal meth enthusiast]

I feel uneasy that they all humans. While their opponents are Bio-mechanical horrors. Kind of pity to kill them.

[Ratboi69]

OP is making a point. The Devs want to paint them the "good" guys with out saying it. Not hard to see.

[Tryveliek]

I've been thinking along these lines ever since the game released into Early Access and I've come to two conclusions while playing:

1: We live in a society.

Most people playing this aren't going to be Russian or Chinese and, no matter how much we try to separate it, real life will always impact our view of media. It's hard to live in the west and be genuinely sympathetic towards Russian and Chinese forces, especially right now. And yes, I know that Euruska and Eurasia aren't technically just Russia and China, but they effectively are given the way they're depicted.

2: Zombie cyborgs really don't help their case.

Any army that's rounding up people they don't like, cyber lobotomising them and using them as cannon fodder shock troops isn't going to be viewed in a good light by anyone. Things like the corpse tank can be dismissed as rogue officers or general horrors of war driving people mad, but those cyborgs are made in factories. They're a doctrinal choice by a nation to wage war with brain hijacked civilians.

[Riepah]

I agree that the game definitely makes Europa seem like the lesser evil... by a considerable margin.

[mie001]

Originally posted by Lost Latios:

Toothy isn't under Euruska's control lore wise and was originally a support mech to aid soldiers, not...well you know. It went rouge. That doesn't automatically make Euruska 'bad'.

Also what do you mean the corpse tank isn't sinister? That's a clear horrific twist on the allied attempts in WW2 to 'up armor' M4s. Someone had to take those bodies, strip them (for whatever reason, probably that desperate for clothes), and bolt them to the tank. Just because the body horror element doesn't 'hit' doesn't make it any less detached from our current morals.

The fact they CAN do this already said enough of their nature, besides not every toothy is rogue, those aren't still catch soldiers to their bags
Corpse tank is sinister, to a certain level. The quest say Europa may hang those bodies to shock anyone dare standing their way, but we can cleary see those bodies are mainly cyborgs. Actually, why cyborg? I'm pretty sure fear means nothing to them, which them with dead scav or soldiers will be better

[WolfishMeat7]

Scavs are the good guys bc mostly they can't do anything

[chaosguy]

Originally posted by Heretic:

well they grind their dead and dying into a nutrient rich meat slurry to feed people with...

Soylent green is People!!!

That said the whole game has 1984 vibes but this particular iteration (and hopefully there will be many) Europa is playing defense in what used to be Los Angeles. In 1984 style they may aggressors elsewhere but here they are trying to defend themselves.

[mie001]

Originally posted by Lord-Captain Mikorius:

If I was forced to choose, I would definitely choose Europa. But that being said, I wouldnt be in such a rush to defend Europa. The institutionalized cannibalism has already been mentioned, but i also think i remember there's a contract from our Scav quest giver who mentions a Europan crushed the skull of his child.

I'd say Europa is probably just too poor to implement alot of the more nightmarish stuff relating to cyberization, in the game, they probably would if they could afford it.

It's possible the Europan guy only did that because he was insane, or full of a cocktail of drugs, or drunk, we know that alcoholism is rampant

The exo life cycle pv even gives you a show that how Europa soldiers are "call to duty", and how the exo stand out to save their own soldiers. Then after it's destoryed, the scav team save the pilot and make it "a good deed". It's literally says in the game that some of the pilot are "on their side". I don't think you have any mission about saving Eurasia or Euruska soldiers

[mie001]

Originally posted by SpacePirateKatz666:

Originally posted by mie001:

Just admit it, dev, it isn't so hard. I know you want to create a theme that a forever war is happening and civilians are suffering but picturing one of the sides as good guys aren't helping
Eurasia converge it's civilian into zombie cyborg, Euruska have toothy mech. What did Europan do?" Using out-dated tech to fight a defensive war", come on man, they gotta have something more sinister than corpse tank, otherwise just print a "we are good guys" on their helmet

I disagree that the europan are the good guys, all of the faction as it is prolonged bitter fighting, war turn humans into a creature that are more terrifying and more scary then a mere beast.

Every faction attempt to shock other faction with psy ops as in doing something horrible and terrible to shook the enemy troops morale, as if they're competing with one another one deed goes with another as they're factions trying to gain victory all are in a race in this department of being the bad guys.

Eropan infantries, some of them are equipped with Scar a .50 cal heavy riffle as standard. and when that thing hit someone that is unaugmented it will be just splat.

Now if you look at other factions, did you see any issuing heavy infantry riffle to their infantry troops ?

Eruskan only have 1 grenade launcher and their leader carry it usually. For the rest, LMG, RIffles, SMG.

Eurasian, SMG, Melee.. and nothing else.

"war turn humans into a creature that are more terrifying and more scary then a mere beast" that's the point, and that's why I don't like it here that devs hinted that one side is more beast that the others
The .50 cal rifle isn't a thing, when you realize the enemy they are facing are cyborg and heavy armoured grunt