...another coop only game...

[Alleluja2000]

...I mean good for those who are fans of coop shooters but my god those games usually appear, bomb and got their server closed because there's not enough players.

Why not make it solo with optional coop instead?
Anyway - I root for the devs but it's a pass for me.

[Unibot]

Same.

[Doko]

Honestly I'd rather co-op than the silly trend chasing of PVPVE or just online only PVP, where those games usually die out even faster (unless you're under MS and have extended life support and MT's up the wazoo to fund your game).

[Alleluja2000]

Originally posted by Doko:

Honestly I'd rather co-op than the silly trend chasing of PVPVE or just online only PVP, where those games usually die out even faster (unless you're under MS and have extended life support and MT's up the wazoo to fund your game).

Yeah, that's why I think doing solo with added coop is the best way to do it. If there's good playerbase you'll find mates to play the game with, if the game is going through downtime you can still play solo...

...but this? I mean I get that all devs want the success of Helldivers, L4D, Tarkov etc. but those are few games in a sea of others that failed to keep the playerbase together.
The Cycle is great example. A FREE game with great things going for it... closed because playercount was too low.

[Doko]

Originally posted by Alleluja2000:

Originally posted by Doko:

Honestly I'd rather co-op than the silly trend chasing of PVPVE or just online only PVP, where those games usually die out even faster (unless you're under MS and have extended life support and MT's up the wazoo to fund your game).

Yeah, that's why I think doing solo with added coop is the best way to do it. If there's good playerbase you'll find mates to play the game with, if the game is going through downtime you can still play solo...

...but this? I mean I get that all devs want the success of Helldivers, L4D, Tarkov etc. but those are few games in a sea of others that failed to keep the playerbase together.
The Cycle is great example. A FREE game with great things going for it... closed because playercount was too low.

I'm sure they'll add a form of solo play at some point, after all, we have games like DRG that feature solo play, but online co-op (even though the co-op element is what most ppl roll with).

We've also seen Sea of Thieves recently do a solo option for those not wanting to get involved with it's PVP side of things.

The thing you gotta remember is that these devs didn't know HD2 was gonna be a smash hit. These devs likely took their own dev time making what they wanted, and hardly got to know much of what the HD2 studio was cooking up during their own time in dev.

The looter shooter part does remind me more of Borderlands/Tarkov, but seeing as how it's post apocalyptic and you're scavenging around, it'll possibly follow less of that extraction trend chase that some AAA's are going after.

The most important aspects new games need to really nail for a game to really lift of would have to be the price point, gameplay loop, and general mechanics/difficulty. Nail most of those and you'll be golden, but mess up most and you'll go out faster than a lit match in the rain.

We've seen multiple AAA's in recent years come out with horrid price points, bogus gameplay loops (the kind that disrespects the players time and giving them less agency over their own personal choices), and focusing more on repetitive gameplay to get the user to purchase MT's from their in-game store.

This game hasn't shown it's full hand yet, but once it does, we'll likely be able to discern if it's merely trend chasing, or that it wants to be it's own game with a nice price, good gameplay loop and something for everyone to jump into (like how HD2 managed to nail all those points).

[PocketYoda]

Yeah same immediately on ignore.. i have no interest in coop only games because its virtually impossible to coop 24/7 so the games die and its a waste of money..

Single player should always be the focus and coop be a secondary option..

[Addex78]

Why complain?

If you're looking for a solo game just move on and keep looking?

Coop shooters still do incredibly well.

People need to get comfortable with not playing a game if doesn't suit what they're looking for rather than just whining about it.

[OntologicalWeevil]

Originally posted by PocketYoda:

Yeah same immediately on ignore.. i have no interest in coop only games because its virtually impossible to coop 24/7 so the games die and its a waste of money..

Single player should always be the focus and coop be a secondary option..

The point is to co-op with your friends?
You play other games when they're not on.
Are you stupid?

[PocketYoda]

Originally posted by Addex78:

Why complain?

If you're looking for a solo game just move on and keep looking?

Coop shooters still do incredibly well.

People need to get comfortable with not playing a game if doesn't suit what they're looking for rather than just whining about it.

Because its happening more and more, good games being ruined by forced coop.

Originally posted by CremeCrimson:

Originally posted by PocketYoda:

Yeah same immediately on ignore.. i have no interest in coop only games because its virtually impossible to coop 24/7 so the games die and its a waste of money..

Single player should always be the focus and coop be a secondary option..

The point is to co-op with your friends?
You play other games when they're not on.
Are you stupid?

I am not paying hundreds of dollars Australian on a game i might play occasionally.. Also all friends need the game and might not be interested.. No its a waste.

I don't even enjoy playing games with friends..

[Doko]

There's far more PVP games coming out and single player turn based RPG's than there are online only co-op based games.

[Addex78]

Originally posted by PocketYoda:

Because its happening more and more, good games being ruined by forced coop.

Objectively this is wrong.

[CE Bounty Hunter]

Agreed OP.

[OntologicalWeevil]

Originally posted by PocketYoda:

Originally posted by Addex78:

Why complain?

If you're looking for a solo game just move on and keep looking?

Coop shooters still do incredibly well.

People need to get comfortable with not playing a game if doesn't suit what they're looking for rather than just whining about it.

Because its happening more and more, good games being ruined by forced coop.

Originally posted by CremeCrimson:

The point is to co-op with your friends?
You play other games when they're not on.
Are you stupid?

I am not paying hundreds of dollars Australian on a game i might play occasionally.. Also all friends need the game and might not be interested.. No its a waste.

I don't even enjoy playing games with friends..

Hundreds of Australian dollars? Then wait for a sale.
Then don't play it? Ahahaha.
That's like complaining monopoly needs more than four players. Some games are meant to be played with friends.

The game will most likely let people play solo anyways so you'll get to enjoy spend your hundreds of Australian dollars on it.

[PocketYoda]

Originally posted by CremeCrimson:

Originally posted by PocketYoda:

Because its happening more and more, good games being ruined by forced coop.

I am not paying hundreds of dollars Australian on a game i might play occasionally.. Also all friends need the game and might not be interested.. No its a waste.

I don't even enjoy playing games with friends..

Hundreds of Australian dollars? Then wait for a sale.
Then don't play it? Ahahaha.
That's like complaining monopoly needs more than four players. Some games are meant to be played with friends.

The game will most likely let people play solo anyways so you'll get to enjoy spend your hundreds of Australian dollars on it.

Its all good i'll spend on singleplayers. Like Dragons Dogma 2 or HZD2

[The Seraph of Tomorrow]

+1 on Solo and Co-Op, as the two go hand in hand. Multiplayer only games are a trend that needs to die. I prefer to buy games, not rent them as long as other people are playing.

[Xeawn ~Rafa~]

Same, there's so many titles like GTFO and Phasmophobia I'd love to try, but my friends only play very specfic games so I'm always like "Man, it'd sure be nice if studios stopped chasing streamer games and at the very least made them with feasible solo and offline modes..."